Destination A/T or BFG M/t?

[WK05]

Well,

After putting on the OME Lift, I think I need to replace my 235 Street Tires with something more All-Terrain, but still road friendly. I think I am going to go with either the Destination A/T or the BFG M/T. What are the pros and cons of both and which would you choose for off roading 1 every two months and looks while keeping price in mind? Thanks!

[OBXJeep]

Depends on what you are planning on offroading on but if you are looking for something more All Terrain than I'd guess go with the All Terrain vs the Mud. Any reason for the Destination A/T over the BFG A/T? Heres a good site for tire info and reviews though. http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/tire-tech.htm

[jeepnjeep]

If you get into mud fairly often, then the mudders are for you. If not than the Destinations, General GrabberAT2's (I Love them!) or BFG AT's are quieter on road and good off road for everything but real goopey mud.

[bluethunderjeep]

I have the Destination A/T's and I am very impressed with them. They are quiet, wear like iron, and provide great traction in heavy snow, and light off road use. Reasonable price too!

Dave

[OBXJeep]

If you get into mud fairly often, then the mudders are for you. If not than the Destinations, General GrabberAT2's (I Love them!) or BFG AT's are quieter on road and good off road for everything but real goopey mud.

I was thinking about the the Generals when its time. The price is def a motive to the switch from the BFGs I've got now. Hows the tread life on the Generals? What kind of wheeling do you do usually?

[OBXJeep]

I was thinking.....did I all ready talk to you about these or am I having deja vous?

[jeepnjeep]

I was thinking about the the Generals when its time. The price is def a motive to the switch from the BFGs I've got now. Hows the tread life on the Generals? What kind of wheeling do you do usually?
I have them on about a year now and tread wear is minimal so far. Most of my wheeling is wet mud and fairly easy trails almost no rock climbing at all. Even in some pretty sticky but shallow mud they are great. Took a hill last winter with 5" of snow on it and hardly spun a tire. Very pleased with them.

[WK05]

Does anybody know of a picture of a JEEP GC with Destination A/Ts and a 2" lift?

[5.7Unlimited]

for what its worth, you should also consider the wrangler silentarmor AT, they wear exceptionally well, are exceptionally tough, and are very quiet on the highway for an AT tire. I also find mine have excellent grip offroading

[OBXJeep]

I do almost all of my offroading on the beach with a trail once or twice a year so street and sand are my main concerns with the other stuff an after thought. I was thinking about these b/c they are good on street and sand plus they look badass. (sorry bud, not trying to hi-jack your thread :D) http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Nitto_Dune_Grappler.htm

[NHWK05]

its not really fair to compare an AT tire to a mud terrain tire.

[OBXJeep]

its not really fair to compare an AT tire to a mud terrain tire.

Don't think it was a comparison question so much as a which option is better. That's why I told him it depended on what kind of offroading he was using it for. If theres a bit of mudding going on, MT is def the was to go otherwise might as get an AT tire.

[Fireman310pt]

I'm looking at Cooper ST or possibly STT. I have ran both and they have done very well for me. The treadwear on the STT's were very good escecially for a mud terrain tire.

[NHWK05]

Ok, my misunderstanding.

But remember, if you plan to ocassionally hit some mud on the trails or drive through big puddles, a nice AT like the Destination AT or BFG AT is fine. They can even handle some gooes stuff really well.

The only time i would do an MT if is you plan to do 90% mud and stay in the deep, thick gooey stuff.

You would be surprised what an AT can handle. I wheeled mud for years with BALD BFG ATs.

This was way back with my 95 Xj and 33" BFG AT KO. BALD TIRES. They had less then 3/32nd of tread left, original was 16/32nd tread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Blast%20from%20the%20Past/me5.jpg
I never got stuck in that hole. They made it through just fine and actually lasted until i bought my 98 xj and made it through a very tough winter as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Old%20Wheeling%20and%20past%20jeeps/me13.jpg
These are the same set of tires just flipped white letters out. They did great all winter and we had tons of snow that winter. Reccord breaking amounts if i recall correctly.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Old%20Wheeling%20and%20past%20jeeps/DSC_0206.jpg

So my point is, dont spend money on MTs unless you plan to live in MUD over 8" deep and want an obnoxious humm all the time. They wear out fast as well. A nice good quality AT will get you through alot more then you expect and will be plenty of tire for weekend trips and for blazing ocassional muddy trails.

I then had GY Wrangler MT/Rs old style and they were great off road but loud as hell and i always felt like i was going to hydroplane in the rain.

I eventually up greaded to Cooper Discovere STTs and they are a fantastic tire. They handle great on road and in rain and all off road conditionb but they wear a little bit faster then i would like but much better then most MTs, had i wanted a longer wearing tire i would have bought more BFG ATs. The Toyo Open Country MTs which are nearly identical to the STTs but wear like butter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Old%20Wheeling%20and%20past%20jeeps/DSCN2429.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Old%20Wheeling%20and%20past%20jeeps/DSCN3033.jpg



Edit, Sorry for being a pic ho.

Ahh damnit, i cant help myself.

One more pic. I really miss my old XJ.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/PAPEXP10-3-08/Pride1.jpg

[maxst2]

That is a badass looking XJ...

[WK05]

So, what size tire would you recommend to aid me in my search? Would a 245 be too small? Or should I go 255/265? And what ratio, 70/75, etc.

[OBXJeep]

Agreed about the ocassional mud/trails.

Ok, my misunderstanding.

But remember, if you plan to ocassionally hit some mud on the trails or drive through big puddles, a nice AT like the Destination AT or BFG AT is fine. They can even handle some gooes stuff really well.

The only time i would do an MT if is you plan to do 90% mud and stay in the deep, thick gooey stuff.

You would be surprised what an AT can handle. I wheeled mud for years with BALD BFG ATs.

This was way back with my 95 Xj and 33" BFG AT KO. BALD TIRES. They had less then 3/32nd of tread left, original was 16/32nd tread.

I never got stuck in that hole. They made it through just fine and actually lasted until i bought my 98 xj and made it through a very tough winter as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/xtremejeeper/Old%20Wheeling%20and%20past%20jeeps/me13.jpg




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http://www.desiyaari.com/upload/pictures/xin_mud_wrestling-310.jpg

That is one sexy looking muddy.....jeep :D

[jeepnjeep]

So, what size tire would you recommend to aid me in my search? Would a 245 be too small? Or should I go 255/265? And what ratio, 70/75, etc.
Mine are 255/65/17. No lift or spacers and fit perfectly. Did trim the bolt a little but it really wasn't necessary.

[WK05]

Am I at a disadvantage if I go with BFG MT KM1s over KM2? I think I am going with the MTs because I hear they don't wear bad on the road, and can preform great off road, and they just look great compared to the AT's, and that is almost worth the $150 price difference.

[mondo]

I have the 35" KM2's on my TJ and the tread life is great so far, and they are not noisey at all. They worked great this last winter too...:thumbsup:

[JETLIFE]

I have 32" BFG M/T's and they have been a great tire, I only run them in the winter and i've never had an issue at all.

If it's looks you're going for then I would say the BFG's, But they do have quite a bit of road noise, So if that would bother you then get a set of A/T's

[WK05]

Now, all that is left is deciding the size. Keep in mind the price differences and that I will be running an OME Lift with stock Laredo rims (17" I believe). So, 255/265, 75/70, 17? What would you pick for looks and function?

[OBXJeep]

I'm running stock rims with 265/70/17 BFGs.

[NHWK05]

If you get the 255/75/17S Those are the same a stock rubicon 32s and will be readily available used and new. But its not a KM2 its actually a tread all on its own spcifically for that size. I would try to get KM2s. I hear they are tons better then the KM1 or the rubicon tread pattern. So maybe try a 265/70/17.

[WK05]

So I should try to get 265/75/17 KM2 tires? I'm calling tommorrow to get quotes.

[NHWK05]

I dont know if those will fit. the 265/70/17 should fit though.

[WK05]

Would the tire be too wide?

[NHWK05]

I dont personally know if they would be too wide. i am just going by what other people are using with similar setups.

Specification ; Sidewall : Diameter " Circumference - Revs/Mile
245/65-17 ; 6.3in : 29.5in " 92.8in - 683
255/75-17 ; 7.5in : 32.1in " 100.7in - 629
265/70-17 ; 7.3in : 31.6in " 99.3in - 638
265/75-17 ; 7.8in : 32.6in " 102.6in - 618

[WK05]

So, either the 255/75/17s, 265/70/17 or the 265/75/17.

So with the OME lift, the 265/75 tires will be too large, so out of the other two, which would be the best bet?

[NHWK05]

Id say go with the 265/70/17s and get KM2s.

[WK05]

But is the actual diameter of the wheel smaller? I dont see how? I dont want it to look like the tires are too small for the Jeep if you know what I mean

[OBXJeep]

I dont know if those will fit. the 265/70/17 should fit though.

They do. Well I've got the spacers but they fit with them, Idk about without them. The only rub I get is full lock reverse, outside of that you're good.

[WK05]

Are the KM1's (255/75/17) bad, they have them in the size, and price I want. Is the tread bad?

I am also considering the KM2's in 255/80/17s if they will fit too.

[NHWK05]

They are not bad, they are the old style tread and that design is about 20 years old. The KM2s are much quieter and are an overall better tire. I would not say dont get KM1s but i would deff choose KM2s over 1s.

[WK05]

So, right before I was about to buy these, I was told about the Goodyear Wrangler Authority sold at walmart. It is an a/t tire. Check out some pictures on the internet and tell me if you think it might be better fitting and still look good. Also, would a 245/75/17 be to small to go?

[Marlin]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I've always gone with BFG Muds, I just love the look, and if you look after them with alignment and pressures, they'll do the miles.
Of course they aren't as ssmooth on road as all Terrains though. But off road, they Hook Up! :)
love 'em!

[NHWK05]

GY Wrangler Authority is a Made for walmart tire. Search reviews on it. It has terrible reviews. I would not get them.

If you want a Good quality, Long Lasting AT tire with good looks get the General Grabber AT 2. Looks just like the BFG AT but has a 60k mile warranty and is a fraction of the cost. mountain snowflake rated for severe snow traction too.

[WK05]

Ive heard good and bad on them, I still think i am going to go with the BFG MTs. So, 255 or 265, then I might even consider an 80/17

[jeepnjeep]

GY Wrangler Authority is a Made for walmart tire. Search reviews on it. It has terrible reviews. I would not get them.

If you want a Good quality, Long Lasting AT tire with good looks get the General Grabber AT 2. Looks just like the BFG AT but has a 60k mile warranty and is a fraction of the cost. mountain snowflake rated for severe snow traction too.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[WSP Jeep]

Go with the KM1's or KM2's, Id shoot for the 255/75 because its a taller tire, but I will warn you they get LOUD. I have 27k on my KM1's and they howl, but to me its worth it. My buddy had about 23k on his KM2's and they were pretty loud, not as loud as mine though.

I always think about the next tire Im going to purchase and I seem inclined to get the General Grabbers, but then I think more about it and I realize how dope they mud terrains look as well as how good they perform off road.

255/75 KM1's (back when I had 1.25" wheel spacers);
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2732/2061/31828530010_large.jpg

[WK05]

Are they really that loud? As load as a wrangler is? Anyways, the two tires/sizes I am looking at it right now.

KM2 - 245/75R17 - $632
KM1 - 255/75R17 - $716

Which do you think would look and function best with a White 3.7L V6 with stock rims.

[WK05]

So, if I go with the KM1s will I need to use spacers on OEM wheels?

[DirtyFrank]

Here is what I've gleemed over the last 2 years of reading these threads on this and other sites...

- 255/75/17 on factory rims you will need spacers (unless you trim the bolt to just about the nut)
- 265/70/17 on factory rims you will need spacers (unless you trim the bolt)
- 245/75/17 on factory rims will not need spacers
- 245/70/17 on factory rims sill not need spacers, I have this on a no lift otherwise stock overland.

Personally with the OME lift I'd want the 255/75 tires as it fills the wheel well more, IMHO others sizes don't look as good. But...if you don't want spacers, 245/75 doesn't look all that bad.

NOTE: With spacers, you may need to trim the pinch weld as at full lock you will likely rub.

[AcidCold]

On a side note, and take it from someone with experience, NEVER would i recommend anyone to trim the BJ bolt all the way to the nut.
If you ever need to remove the UCA from the steering knuckle, you will find it almost impossible to get the nut off or vise-versa.
if you plan on cutting it, leave a 1/4'' so you still have enough for a wrench.

[Stemmy]

Frank- So I clearly understand, you are running 245/70/17 with no bolt problems, suspension flex rubs, or steering rubs? I'm looking at the Michelin LTX AT2 in 245/70/17 and just want the re-assurance they are going to fit okay. For these tires, 245/70 is cheaper than the 245/65.

[6barefeet]

These 245/75s seem pretty awesome to me no spacers 2.25 RRO lift. not as bad as I thought they would be on the highway.Here is what I've gleemed over the last 2 years of reading these threads on this and other sites...

- 255/75/17 on factory rims you will need spacers (unless you trim the bolt to just about the nut)
- 265/70/17 on factory rims you will need spacers (unless you trim the bolt)
- 245/75/17 on factory rims will not need spacers
- 245/70/17 on factory rims sill not need spacers, I have this on a no lift otherwise stock overland.

Personally with the OME lift I'd want the 255/75 tires as it fills the wheel well more, IMHO others sizes don't look as good. But...if you don't want spacers, 245/75 doesn't look all that bad.

NOTE: With spacers, you may need to trim the pinch weld as at full lock you will likely rub.

[6barefeet]

Just put on 245/75/17 BFG MTs. I figured you only live once and wanted to really see if they were that much better off road. I had Hankook dynapros that were a pretty darn good all around tire but after 20000 mi they were a little shaky in snow and ice. The BFG MTs are awesome in the mud and pretty decent on the highway but they are brand new and most tires are pretty awesome for the 1st 10000 mi.