Fastman TB on the 4.7

[robpp]

So I bought a new TB. Sent it to Fastman. Got it back today.

http://www.thefastman.com/

looks sweet.

Ill take pics as I go and complete this post once its all installed.
plus if anyone wants my old one for a core send me a PM.

so here is the TB back from Fastman....

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/robpp/fastman%20TB/tb1.jpg

[NHWK05]

What did that cost(new Tb and Fastman work) ? i would like to look in to that in the future.

[robpp]

The porting was 179 plus shipping.

the tb is about 100 new. Dan Fastman has cores for exchange too. so you dont have to buy one.

[Scottina06]

I have one too.....good workmanship

[AcidCold]

I am curious about power gains.. low end is what i am after.

[jeeppro]

where did you get the tb

[robpp]

i bought it from Jeep new, sent it to fastman link in OP.

[jeeppro]

so its a stock one

[BUBBADOG]

HP gains are in the range of 5-7HP ...i have know dan for a few years and have gotten a few TB from him great work

[jeeppro]

?

[Scottina06]

yes....its a ported stock tb

[Marlin]

Seriously, how THICK!!!! lolol

[robpp]

70 mm

[jeeppro]

can you fill the difference

[Marlin]

Seriously, how THICK!!!! lolol

70 mm

HAHAHAHA, I wasn't refering to that mate! LOLOLOLOL

[robpp]

now i SEE Benno :thumbsup:




its smooth as a baby's arse troy

[tman4024]

I'll be interested to hear of any notice in performance.

[dreamer1213]

Looks great Rob!!! Looking forward to your review...lol!!

[robpp]

ok this is installed. very easy install. you need a 5/16 socket for 3 bolts that mount the TB. And a T25 to remove the IAT and the TPS from your TB.

here is a pic of the stuff you need to disconnect and also the 3 mounting bolts.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/robpp/fastman%20TB/tb03.jpg

closeup of the cables.

The longer one is removed by moving the throttle to open and using the slack to reove the cable.
the other one if removed by GENTLY moving the connector forward. if you try to pull it sideways, youll need a new cable. dont do that.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/robpp/fastman%20TB/tb02.jpg

then you need a torx T25 on a ratchet to remove the tps and the IAT. this pics shows TPS mounted on new TB.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/robpp/fastman%20TB/tb01.jpg





I only put about 25 miles on it but initial impressions are a bit more responsive throttle. and a bit more scream at WOT;

Im Happy!

[Frankie]

Very nice Rob!

[Scottina06]

nice Rob! What is the largest diameter we can go with on the stock TB? I may have to go larger or F&B

[robpp]

i think 72 scott. but dan will tell you for sure.

with my mods he did 68.5, all i have is intake and exh and SC91.

i thought it was 70 but that was with the manifold. he sent me an email explaining.

[Scottina06]

hmmm....I think I may go 72mm

[robpp]

you dont want to go too big, you may have issues.

i would consult with Dan, he has done hundreds of them.

[Scottina06]

I have more mods than I had when i got the 68mm and one of my guys seems to think a bigger TB would solve some issues with tuning etc.

[robpp]

dan is a 4.7 guy he raced or races a dodge 4.7 pickup IIRC.






none of us know what you have............... we get a tidbit here and there if we are lucky.














hey where are all your build up threads Mister :rolleyes:

[Scottina06]

sorry....I get the impression around here I'm bragging....so I try to be careful. I will post some things all at once so not to flood the forum with my threads. Its still a wor in progress anyway. i got a little rough idle as we speak and trying to get it figured out.

[robpp]

sure Scott. no worries bro

[Scottina06]

yep....dont wanna jump the gun before everything is perfect

[Grandcherokee51]

That looks awesome, i wish they'd do something like that for the 3.7

[Denny boy]

:( i can only go to 62mm but thats from a 56 mm stock TB so im not complaining. it sounds awesome at wot and i think maybe a little better response but i like it.

[mjl2610]

So if i was to order a tb from this fastman, i see a cost of 180, plus 80 for a core plus 10 for shipping. Do they send out the throttle body and then refund the core charge when they get my current one back? How does this work. I cant exactly have my car in pieces for a week since its not at the dealer (no free rentals). And does the 03-present tb fit my 06 wk?

[robpp]

dan fastman will know what fits what.

the core charge is returned to you when the core gets back to Dan.

so you give him the money, he sends you a ported tb, you do the swap, send your TB back to him, he returns the core charge.

we also have a vendor here who does this. I have no experience but others do.......

[mjl2610]

Thanks for the info rob. Yes, i was reading there is also someone here that does that. However, I dont feel like being without the TB/Jeep for a duration or buying one, send it, then have to try and sell a random stock tb to someone. Seems easier this way. But ill inquire to our vendor if he has core options available.

[robpp]

hey mike, i could lend you my original. but I would want my same one back.

so i could send it to you, you install mine and send yours. then when yours is done, swap them and send mine back to me. it would cost you shipping X 2 to 80013. Its only about a pound. let me know.

[FlyinRyan]

*EDITED TO COMPLY WITH VENDOR GUIDELINES*

A little late to the party, but I just saw this....


nice Rob! What is the largest diameter we can go with on the stock TB? I may have to go larger or F&B

If we are talking about the BLADE size, the largest is 71.5-72mm. The inlet is capable of being hogged out more.

The simple answer to this question is that when it comes to size of the inlet, as long as we're talking about EFI....bigger is better......................

One other thing that needs to be taken into consideration is what intake manifold you have. The different manifolds have slightly different inlets. The '08+ Gen 2 4.7 manifold has a very large inlet, so a taper from the blade to the IM inlet can be done. Of course, the adapters can be ported too.

That looks awesome, i wish they'd do something like that for the 3.7

dan fastman will know what fits what.

the core charge is returned to you when the core gets back to Dan.

so you give him the money, he sends you a ported tb, you do the swap, send your TB back to him, he returns the core charge.

we also have a vendor here who does this. I have no experience but others do.......

That would be me.......:D

Right now I'm running a special exclusive to JG members where basically if you send me a TB to port (I do not care if it's one you pick up off Ebay or your personal TB), I'll do the works, then upon sending back to you, you send me back your stock TB for me to keep as a core. The only money you're out is a very small fee (10 for a 3.7, 15 for a 4.0, 20 for a 4.7), and shipping to 32114.

Thanks for the info rob. Yes, i was reading there is also someone here that does that. However, I dont feel like being without the TB/Jeep for a duration or buying one, send it, then have to try and sell a random stock tb to someone. Seems easier this way. But ill inquire to our vendor if he has core options available.

If you can provide me with a core to port, there is NO downtime. And of course swapping the TB's out takes all of 10 minutes.

See what I wrote above...you provide with me with a TB to port, and once you remove your stocker, you send it to me as a core for me to keep...Saves you money (most TBs go for 20 bucks, or 40ish with sensors), keeps my cost low, and eliminates the pain of trying to sell a stock TB to someone.

I'm only doing this special until I have cores in my possession. Once I have some in my arsenal, my prices will go up for those that want to exchange their cores.

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There appears to be some sort of limit to how many posts I can multi-quote at once....

I have more mods than I had when i got the 68mm and one of my guys seems to think a bigger TB would solve some issues with tuning etc.

What specific issues are you having with your tuning? It MIGHT lean your AFR at WOT by a few tenths, but if you have a problem,I would suggest a chit chat with your tuner, rather than trying to bandaid with buying more stuff.

That looks awesome, i wish they'd do something like that for the 3.7

Irfan (BPOD) is in the process of purchasing a 3.7 TB to send me. Once I get it I will be porting it and sending it right back out to him. Check out my vendor subforum for pricing and such. Link is in my sig.

[Scottina06]

yeah...he told me from the start I need a dyno tune. I gfot the problem solved with a 72mm F&B and a new tune. its still not at its potential though withour a dyno tune

[jeeppro]

so sleepy whats the difference between yours and fastmans

[FlyinRyan]

so sleepy whats the difference between yours and fastmans
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Jeeppro, since I already answered this via PM, and because my original post didn't exactly comply with Vendor rules , here are the clear differences between Fastman's TBs and mine:

Fastman has multiple blade sizes, I do not.

Fastman removes the front shaft, I do not. The shaft does not consist of a large portion of the TB.

Fastman is a machinist/tool maker by profession, thus he uses his tools of his trade.

I hand-port the TBs. Yes, this means that there is some level of deviation from TB to TB. It allows me to contour the passage the way I want it.

I charge less.

I am a registered vendor here, Dan is not.

[robpp]

HEY SLEEPY:

lets be real here:

without hard facts from either vendor, its all just talk.

when you have PROOF that yours is better than Dan's post it up. Otherwise ALL of this is just your opinion.


one ADVANTAGE of doing it Dan's way, with a machine, is that they are all the same, you do it by EYE so one port job can be better or worse than then the next. further, lets say you port one that dyno's an XX HP increase. there is no guarantee that the next one you do will be just as good becuase its all donr by hand and eye......



the rules of this forum state that you shouldnt be discussing other vendors products without HARD FACTS. So please stop discussing advantages of yours over Dans or anyone else for that matter, until you are ready to post up HARD FACTS!

Nuff Said.......

[jeeppro]

hey rob do i have to have the key on when i reset

[robpp]

troy,

first disconnect the neg terrminal on the battery.

then either turn on the headlights or step on the brake for about 30 seconds.

you dont turn the key on or anything.

[jeeppro]

ok thanks

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sleepy sounds like your pissing rob off

[FlyinRyan]

HEY SLEEPY:

lets be real here:

without hard facts from either vendor, its all just talk.

when you have PROOF that yours is better than Dan's post it up. Otherwise ALL of this is just your opinion.


one ADVANTAGE of doing it Dan's way, with a machine, is that they are all the same, you do it by EYE so one port job can be better or worse than then the next. further, lets say you port one that dyno's an XX HP increase. there is no guarantee that the next one you do will be just as good becuase its all donr by hand and eye......



the rules of this forum state that you shouldnt be discussing other vendors products without HARD FACTS. So please stop discussing advantages of yours over Dans or anyone else for that matter, until you are ready to post up HARD FACTS!

Nuff Said.......

Excuse me, I don't see the need for your attitude. Someone addressed me specifically and asked me a question, I answered. For someone that is a co-owner of the site I'd expect a little more courtesy.

I never said my product was better, or that his was worse. If you look closely I praised Dan for his service and for the products he makes in the FIRST PARAGRAPH. I spoke about the differences between his throttle bodies. I did say that there were some advantages to the way I do it, but I encourage you to find where in the above post that I said outright that my stuff is better than the Fastman's. Good luck finding it...because you won't.

Most of what I posted are indeed hard facts:

Fastman has multiple blade sizes, I do not.

Fastman removes the front shaft, I do not. The shaft does not consist of a large portion of the TB.

Fastman is a machinist/tool maker by profession, thus he uses his tools of his trade.

I hand-port the TBs. Yes, this means that there is some level of deviation from TB to TB. It allows me to contour the passage the way I want it.

My stuff is cheaper.

I am a registered vendor here, Dan is not.

Again, I'm sorry you feel the way you do...I've since re-edited the post(s) in question to simply "HARD FACTS" and literally nothing else.

-Ryan

[jeeppro]

hey sleepy do u have a web site

[FlyinRyan]

hey sleepy do u have a web site

No, at this time I do not. Not really a need for it, this is just something I do on the side.

Is there something specific you're looking for?

[robpp]

Sleepy, just stick to the rules and it will all be good. That was the point of my post. If your post was all good, you wouldnt have had to make edits.

LETS END THIS RIGHT HERE. If you wish to continue, take it to PM.

as you quoted in a post, i did point someone to your service so obviously I have no issues with your service. I am just a stickler for the rules.

Carry On!