"Mwoody" Finished product

[mzh29]

Finished it off last night, 2 coats of black. It was called universal black, but it looks like it has some metallic in it. Followed by a couple coats of clear. I also changed around the elbow where it turns down. I'm happy with it. I got 14.2 mpg with my last tank of gas with the intake. A little less skinny pedal and I could definetly gain 1-2 mpg with it. But that's not why I made it.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1152.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1153.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1154.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1155.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1156.jpg

[B.P.O.D]

looks legit bro!!!! i like it!!!! what cone did you use for it???

[mzh29]

Cheapest cone filter i could find, I think it was apc? Like 25 bucks. I know it's not gonna look as pretty as a Bwoody, but I just wanted something that looked like it belongs under the hood.

[Scottina06]

WOW....that looks very nice dude! Congrats!

[B.P.O.D]

yeah bro i hear ya!!! great job again!!!! let us know how the mileage goes!

p.s- i caught my pb smallie last week:) 3lb 8oz

[mzh29]

yeah bro i hear ya!!! great job again!!!! let us know how the mileage goes!

p.s- i caught my pb smallie last week:) 3lb 8oz


Nice catch Irf! That's a real nice size for the middle of summer. I usually only catch little dinks this time of year, fall and winter is when the HOGS come out. Send me a pic of it.

[jhawk1128]

Looks really good Matt.....well done and you saved some serious "coin" too!

Dad

[White WK Swagga]

Looks sick!!! Good work bro...

[Chaoul1]

Looks just as good as a BWoody. Nice color too!

[ducks unlimited]

nice job + rep

[Martyp]

Great job with the painting, that looks awesome! :)

[mzh29]

Thanks guys, I was gonna paint it either body color, or some shade of red, but was afraid that it might come out splotchy. I figured with black, if i miss a spot, or spray too much in one spot it won't be as noticeable.

[Scottina06]

ahhh man....shoulda done red! LOL J/K

[BUBBADOG]

Dude u rock!!! mad respect for someone whos not lazy and makes a kool as mod from the ground up!!!

[mzh29]

Thanks Bubba!

[NHWK05]

Looks great! Nice work!

[Megatron]

Nice work MATT!

(yes I got the name right haha)

[mzh29]

Yesterday morning, according to my superchips datalogging I was reading a 67 degree outdoor temp with a 67 degree intake temp. woo hoo!

[KITSOS]

looks good! its always better when you can create something people dont have and cant buy!

[AcidCold]

Dude.. how much for one??

[White Chocolate]

Dude look's very good, and beefy, I like it!

[mzh29]

Thanks guys for the compliments.

I had to change it around a little bit today. The 90 degree bend right after the throttle body was to wide of an angle. The coupling was starting to slip off because there wasn't enough pipe to "bite" to. Sooo, I ended up using the stock "accordian" style tube to connect the two pieces. At first i was bummed, but it still sounds nice, still gives the same shot in the arm to performance, and actually I was able lower the filter location since I had a little more play in the intake. Will upload a pic of Mwoody 2.0 in a couple minutes.

---------- Post added at 06:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:31 PM ----------

Not as pretty I know, with this change the Bwoody will definetly flow better with the smooth surface for air to flow through and extra inch in pipe diameter. But I've got to much time and love invested in this puppy to scrap it. It's amazing after looking at these pics how much stress and pressure it relieved on the whole intake system.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1161.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1162.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1163.jpg

[Megatron]

look good matt!

[B.P.O.D]

nice bro! it doesnt look bad at all dude!

[mzh29]

It felt hotter than 89 degrees outside, but here's a quick snapshot from driving today.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1164.jpg

[Scottina06]

awe Matty! You cant buy another bend and re-do it?

[Frankie]

+ more rep for a PERFECT job!

[jeepnjeep]

Even with the change to the flex piece, it still looks great. Good Job!

[mzh29]

I will one day change the angles around with a new piece to get rid of the flex, but to be honest, I just haven't had the motivation. Maybe if I noticed a big performance drop off, it would be a different story. That was cruising at about 50 mph by the way. I've noticed that once I drop down to 25-30 mph there is a 2 degree difference. But only when it's in the upper 80's. I can't wait for fall!!! Come on nice cool 55 degree air! lol.

[blackpepper]

Bump for a great mod... How's the Mwoody holding up? Notice any increase in MPG? Liking the sound?

[Matt]

Wow! What a coincidence! I was thinking about doing the exact same thing when I was installing my passenger-side ballast the other day. Shweet!!

Questions:



It looks like you used regular old PVC - is there any risk of using this material?
How thick is the PVC?
Why did you use the the rubber coupling instead of going with a PVC coupling and using PVC glue to keep it together? (I guess I'd be worried that one of those rubber ones would slip off therefor letting in un-filtered air - maybe I'm just being paranoid, lol)
Is there only one sensor to worry about incorporating? How difficult was that?
Do you have any concern that your filter location is too low (I know it's good to be away from the motor (heatsoak), but does rain concern you? (again, maybe I'm just paranoid because I live in FL and it rains every single day here).

I appreciate any input!!

[Matt]

Also, thanks for the bump Ryan... I would have never seen this!

[Matt]

I know when PVC heats up it will give off a gas that is potentially/is toxic. The downside would be this vapor chokeing out some of the oxygen as the air travels into the engine. I am not saying you shouldn't, but that it has been an idea kicked around on many auto (http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t35634-pvc-cold-air-intake.htm#) forums and every time other alternatives have been found.


uh...don't use PVC pipe in your engine bay please! It gives off hydrochloric acid in its gas form which can travel into your engine bay!


Typical PVC has a softening temperature of 181F, with a maximum service temperature of 140F. Plasticised PVC is good to 221F without physical stresses, but I don't think PVC pipe from Home Depot is plasticised. Typical PVC also has a heat deflection temperature of over 170F. Translated to English this all means unless the intake air temp is over 140F, or your engine bay is consistently above 170F+, you won't have reverse polymerization. The only other way to get HCl out of PVC is with fire, and thats a no-brainer if you ask me. There are lot's of things in the car that will kill you if it's on fire, excluding the fire itself.

Of course, if you have your head inside the engine bay with the car running you have problems and the HCl is the least of your worrys.

While your information is helpful, it may not apply to an engine bay. It also appears less than credible at first glance. The misspelling of polymerization prompted me to do my own research, which is where my numbers came from. If you disagree, feel free to post up with more information with links to back it up.

Thoughts...?

[mzh29]

Wow! What a coincidence! I was thinking about doing the exact same thing when I was installing my passenger-side ballast the other day. Shweet!!

Questions:



It looks like you used regular old PVC - is there any risk of using this material?
How thick is the PVC?
Why did you use the the rubber coupling instead of going with a PVC coupling and using PVC glue to keep it together? (I guess I'd be worried that one of those rubber ones would slip off therefor letting in un-filtered air - maybe I'm just being paranoid, lol)
Is there only one sensor to worry about incorporating? How difficult was that?
Do you have any concern that your filter location is too low (I know it's good to be away from the motor (heatsoak), but does rain concern you? (again, maybe I'm just paranoid because I live in FL and it rains every single day here).
I appreciate any input!!


Haven't had to tighten anything since i put it in. Working better than I thought, the best part was when i took it in to get an oil change, the tech said that the cold air intake looks good.

I'll answer this one first.
-Yeah I used schedule 40 charlotte pipe, just make sure you shave off all of the burrs when you cut a piece.
- It's 3"diameter, i THINK o.d. not sure
- I used the rubber couplings for a cleaner look, i didn't want it to SCREAM pvc from home depot. As long as you use the couplings with a metal sleeve, they don't slip. I used a regular fernco coupling, rubber only, and it did slip a little.
- There is the intake air temp, and vacuum port. I used a piece of plastic tube that i had laying around the house as a nipple to plug the vac hose onto. I'm sure depot sells a fitting that would work. The IAT is easy, i just drilled a hole in to the pipe that was the exact diameter of the sensor and plugged it in.
- I've driven through some reeeally heavy rain, and deep puddles with no problems. If it becomes a huge concern you could slap on a dry charger to cover the filter. My filter location is tucked in to the contour of the bumper, so it gives it some cover from water.

[Matt]

Haven't had to tighten anything since i put it in. Working better than I thought, the best part was when i took it in to get an oil change, the tech said that the cold air intake looks good.

That's good to know!

I'll answer this one first.
-Yeah I used schedule 40 charlotte pipe, just make sure you shave off all of the burrs when you cut a piece.
- It's 3"diameter, i THINK o.d. not sure
- I used the rubber couplings for a cleaner look, i didn't want it to SCREAM pvc from home depot. As long as you use the couplings with a metal sleeve, they don't slip. I used a regular fernco coupling, rubber only, and it did slip a little.
- There is the intake air temp, and vacuum port. I used a piece of plastic tube that i had laying around the house as a nipple to plug the vac hose onto. I'm sure depot sells a fitting that would work. The IAT is easy, i just drilled a hole in to the pipe that was the exact diameter of the sensor and plugged it in.
- I've driven through some reeeally heavy rain, and deep puddles with no problems. If it becomes a huge concern you could slap on a dry charger to cover the filter. My filter location is tucked in to the contour of the bumper, so it gives it some cover from water.

Awesome, thanks for answering all the questions Matt!! I think I may give this a shot sometime down the road.

[mzh29]

Thoughts...?


PVC gives off HCL in its GAS form. Which is why you should never melt plastic, very toxic. If you are worried about the pipe getting too hot, remember this, on the inside of the pipe, it is always within a couple degrees of ambient temperature. So it has a constant flow of fresh cool air flowing through it.

I'm in the heating and ac business. We use pvc pipe for flue pipe on 90% condensing furnaces. Flue gas is VERY hot, well over 100 degrees, with no softening of plastic. PVC does not transfer heat well at all. Which is why, a flue pipe that is B-vent (double walled metal) has to be a certain distance away from combustibles like 2x4's in a house. There is no minimum distance for pvc, pvc can touch 2x4's and still pass inspection.

[Matt]

PVC gives off HCL in its GAS form. Which is why you should never melt plastic, very toxic. If you are worried about the pipe getting too hot, remember this, on the inside of the pipe, it is always within a couple degrees of ambient temperature. So it has a constant flow of fresh cool air flowing through it.

I'm in the heating and ac business. We use pvc pipe for flue pipe on 90% condensing furnaces. Flue gas is VERY hot, well over 100 degrees, with no softening of plastic. PVC does not transfer heat well at all. Which is why, a flue pipe that is B-vent (double walled metal) has to be a certain distance away from combustibles like 2x4's in a house. There is no minimum distance for pvc, pvc can touch 2x4's and still pass inspection.

Yeah I was thinking that what I quoted was just overblown. I'm not worried about it.

[mzh29]

Dude you should do it, from what I've seen by looking at 5.7's online, it looks like it would be suuuuuper easy, it looks like just a 90 degree elbow, and then one 45 or 30 degree elbow pointing downwards.

[Matt]

Dude you should do it, from what I've seen by looking at 5.7's online, it looks like it would be suuuuuper easy, it looks like just a 90 degree elbow, and then one 45 or 30 degree elbow pointing downwards.

Yeah I was looking at the CAI/Exhaust thread and the BWoodys on the 5.7's look like cake! I wonder what size piping I could fit... probably stick with 4". I also think I'm set on going with an Amsoil filter. They claim to be a top performer and do an outstanding job at filtering. Sucks they run $50-60 for the size that would work, but that are cleanable/reusable.

[Matt]

... I just can't justify spending $320 for...

http://bwoodyperformance.com/images/4jeepcai2.jpg

[mzh29]

Yeah I was looking at the CAI/Exhaust thread and the BWoodys on the 5.7's look like cake! I wonder what size piping I could fit... probably stick with 4". I also think I'm set on going with an Amsoil filter. They claim to be a top performer and do an outstanding job at filtering. Sucks they run $50-60 for the size that would work, but that are cleanable/reusable.


The trickiest part is the 90 degree elbow. Unless you use the elbow with glue. When i cut the flared end off the right angle elbow, it throws off the outer diameter. So a coupling wants to slide off. Which is why i had to revert back to the flex piece that came with the truck. For the most part it is all smooth inside, but the end of the 90 degree pipe, does not touch the straight piece. I think you can buy like a silicone elbow from pep boys which would work better, and look better.

[Matt]

The trickiest part is the 90 degree elbow. Unless you use the elbow with glue. When i cut the flared end off the right angle elbow, it throws off the outer diameter. So a coupling wants to slide off. Which is why i had to revert back to the flex piece that came with the truck. For the most part it is all smooth inside, but the end of the 90 degree pipe, does not touch the straight piece. I think you can buy like a silicone elbow from pep boys which would work better, and look better.

Hmm, good point. I'll look into the silicone elbows.. sounds like the way to go in my case.

[B.P.O.D]

sooo quick question matt. how big is the opening for the tb??? like can i fit a 3" or 4" pipe or does the 4.7 and 3.7 differ

[Scottina06]

you can fit whatever diameter piping you want just as long as you get the correct silicon sleeve. For instance..I believe the 3.7 TB is basicly 3"....if you got 4" piping...you would need a silicon sleeve that was 3" on end one amd 4" on the other or a 4" to 3' reducer sleeve. they are pretty common

[B.P.O.D]

ahhh i see!!! thanks!.... if the bwoody doesnt happen i might have to go this route! or get hte k+n and add a pipe extension from the tb to the beg of the k+n

[Scottina06]

or take a chance on the K&N for the 4.7 since it deletes the resonator....

[mzh29]

If i remember correctly there was a member on here that was going to get a kit from jegs. It was DIY kit complete with black plastic 3"piping, clamps, couplings, elbows everything you would need. I think it was like 100 bux or something. Had i seen that before i made mine, i would have bought it. Heck, I still might. Even though the "Mwoody" is working without issue, and has been for what, about 5 months now. I like to tinker:rolleyes:

[Matt]

Yeah, you can get those couplers cheap of of eBay.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=90+silicone+coupler&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Everything else is just a Home Depot run away.

[mzh29]

Nevermind it's $226, still you can build it to exactly the way you want it.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Airaid/028/101-302/10002/-1

[Matt]

100 bucks and you should be able to get a good filter (Amsoil), the coupler, and all the random hardware and PVC to do this. Quite a difference from the $300+ price tag of the BWoody. And it'd be cooler to say you did it yourself.

[pjs1965]

nice job. I like it.

[mzh29]

After looking at the pics, i really don't like the flexible piece on there. I just picked up a bunch of pvc from work, I'll be redesigining tomorrow.

[B.P.O.D]

nice matt!!!! def tell us what you use

[mzh29]

Painting it right now, no more flexible tube. All solid pipe, true cold air.

On a side note, hot air intakes suck major shlong. Yesterday i started to redesign it, when it started to rain. So i just quickly slapped the filter on the end of the pipe, putting the filter in the stock location with no heat shield or anything. Ran like a dog, got 11mpg. Finally yesterday evening the rain let up and i was able to finish, mpg went up to 15mpg, pep came back. Funny how that hot air really hurts the performance. Should have pics this evening.

[mzh29]

Ok, I know I've said this before, but I think I got it this time. No flex piece. It looks a billion times better, here's what it has looked like for the last few months.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1204.jpg

And now, here she is!

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1208.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1209.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1210.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1211.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1212.jpg

[Scottina06]

awesome work Matt!

[Matt]

awesome work Matt!

x2!

That looks sick!!

[AcidCold]

Looks very nice!

[mzh29]

Thanks Guys!

[Chaoul1]

Fantastico!

[mzh29]

I was just reading the engine detail thread, now I'm all motivated to get it spotless. Next weeks project!

[B.P.O.D]

looking even better now matt!!!! awesome!

[Matt]

Matt, can you get some better pics of the MAF sensor integration and throttle body integration?

It doesn't look like you did, but did you use a silicone connector at the TB or is it PVC...?

[mzh29]

Matt, can you get some better pics of the MAF sensor integration and throttle body integration?

It doesn't look like you did, but did you use a silicone connector at the TB or is it PVC...?

By MAF sensor, do you mean the intake air temp sensor? I believe it's the only sensor in the intake. I'll take some pics, but I can tell you what i did. I just took a 1/2 inch bit and drilled a hole where i wanted the sensor to be. With a 1/2 inch bit, i had to ream it out a little larger. I just kept test fitting and making it a little larger each time until it fit very snug in the hole.

As for where it connects to the throttle body, I used the clamp. The metal clamps have a rubber sleeve on the inside. I just simply clamped the pvc to the throttle body using that clamp. The diameter of the pvc is just ever so slightly larger than the throttle body, but the clamp had enough play to tighten up on the throttle and the pvc. Kind of hard to explain, but very simple to do....enough jabbering, i'll go take some pics.



^Thanks Irf!

[Scottina06]

any 0-60 times or 1/4 mile times before and after the Mwoody?

[Matt]

By MAF sensor, do you mean the intake air temp sensor? I believe it's the only sensor in the intake. I'll take some pics, but I can tell you what i did. I just took a 1/2 inch bit and drilled a hole where i wanted the sensor to be. With a 1/2 inch bit, i had to ream it out a little larger. I just kept test fitting and making it a little larger each time until it fit very snug in the hole.

Yeah, IAT sensor, lol. So basically it just plugs in nice and snug..?

As for where it connects to the throttle body, I used the clamp. The metal clamps have a rubber sleeve on the inside. I just simply clamped the pvc to the throttle body using that clamp. The diameter of the pvc is just ever so slightly larger than the throttle body, but the clamp had enough play to tighten up on the throttle and the pvc. Kind of hard to explain, but very simple to do....enough jabbering, i'll go take some pics.


Awesome info, thanks Matt!

[mzh29]

any 0-60 times or 1/4 mile times before and after the Mwoody?


Well I didn't do any immediate before and after testing. Meaning I didn't install the factory intake, run a 0-60 and then install my cai and immediately run a 0-60. Seeing as the outdoor temp has dropped considerably since i had the factory intake, the numbers are a little skewed in the new intakes favor. If i remember correctly, my best 0-60 with only superchips and a k&n drop in filter was somewhere around 8 seconds or so. That was with the temps in the upper 70's/low 80's. Now I consistently run 7.4 or better, with my best time coming in at 6.86 with 45 degree outdoor temp.

[mzh29]

Here are some more pics:

IAT
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1221.jpg

Connection to throttle body:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1223.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1228.jpg

Filter location:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1226.jpg

Vacuum Hose:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1224.jpg

[B.P.O.D]

looking great matt!!! why don't you put a dry bag over the cone?

[Matt]

Awesome Matt! Thanks for the pics! I emailed Gabe over at Synthetic Lube Store... should be getting this little project going within the next week or two.

[B.P.O.D]

matt i might need your advice next week when i do my proj for my k+n to remove the air res for the 3.7

[Matt]

Just FYI for those who are thinking about doing this... our vendor here, Synthetic Lube Store (http://www.jeepgarage.org/forumdisplay.php?f=69), gives us a pretty nice discount on Amsoil air filters; something like 20% off the price you see on Amsoil.com.

[AcidCold]

That is very awesome! i still need to re-install my air temp sensor but it's to short.

[B.P.O.D]

use 18 gauge wires and solder them to make an extension!

[Scottina06]

That is very awesome! i still need to re-install my air temp sensor but it's to short.

airram.com may have an extention for ya or Bwoody

[mzh29]

matt i might need your advice next week when i do my proj for my k+n to remove the air res for the 3.7


Sure thing, just let me know.

I've have thought about using a dry charger for it, but so far so good. If we get alot of snow this year, i may use a piece of sheet metal with some rustoleum to make a cover plate for that bottom corner where the intake pulls the air through. It sits pretty low, i'd be a little nervous about driving through deep snow.

[Matt]

I just bought some parts to do this... still need to order my filter, but fawk, I'm not sure if this piping is even going to fit under the hood, LOL.

[mzh29]

I just bought some parts to do this... still need to order my filter, but fawk, I'm not sure if this piping is even going to fit under the hood, LOL.


What did you get?

[B.P.O.D]

knowing matt prob like 10" pvc piping lolol

[Matt]

What did you get?

I'll take a pic of it mocked up in the bay... give me a few mins.

3"-4" rubber coupler/clamp (for TB-PVC)
4" 90 degree PVC
4" PVC (will be cut to length)
4" PVC coupler

I didn't want to get anything else (45 or 90 degree PVC bend) because I want to wait until I get the filter so I can figure out where I want to dump it. I'm also planning on building a heat shield for it, so this is just some initial stuff to get the ball rolling.

The outside diameter os this piping is like 5" LOL

knowing matt prob like 10" pvc piping lolol

:lol::lol::lol:

[mzh29]

haha, yeah i was thinking about doing 4", but it did look reeeeally huge. Like you said, the inner diamter is 4" but the outer diameter is right around 4.5". Like mine the inner is 3" but the outer is 3.5.

Be sure your filter is gonna fit on the 4"pvc. I know most cone filters say they will fit 4"pipe, but I doubt they account for the wall thickness of pvc.

[Matt]

haha, yeah i was thinking about doing 4", but it did look reeeeally huge. Like you said, the inner diamter is 4" but the outer diameter is right around 4.5". Like mine the inner is 3" but the outer is 3.5.

Wait for the pics LOL - 4" is a bit big, hahaha.

Be sure your filter is gonna fit on the 4"pvc. I know most cone filters say they will fit 4"pipe, but I doubt they account for the wall thickness of pvc.

Yeah, Amsoil gives all their filter dimensions online, so I'll be able to match it up. Good looking out though!

Pics coming...

[B.P.O.D]

been 7 mins matt!!!! where's my pics!!!
http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/wheres_my_money.jpg

[B.P.O.D]

matt:

ok so this is exactly what i'm doing but i was thinking of replacing the accordion type piping there. do you think i can use pvc to replace it?

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/dreamps/1021091246.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/dreamps/1021091247.jpg

[Matt]

Just a bit too big, haha!

I'm going to make a run back to Lowe's and go down a size. I did some more measuring so I'll be sure to get something that fits this time, lol.




http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SudWYH6jqtI/AAAAAAAAAco/EmkVx6tKNM4/s800/IMG_0002.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SudWaql87QI/AAAAAAAAAcs/3kmpeeD2jCg/s800/IMG_0003.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SudWc3B_S_I/AAAAAAAAAcw/wOLEvUT8nJA/s800/IMG_0004.JPG


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SudWeMkPVvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/CxnC_udueWs/s800/IMG_0005.JPG





Question! What is that line that connects to the airbox and runs across the bay, then connects somewhere on the drivers side of the motor?



http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SudWhRzpA2I/AAAAAAAAAc4/vKWNAdPGBDc/s800/IMG_0006.JPG

[Matt]

Fawk! My internet is moving at glacial pace, UGH!

[mzh29]

Ahh yes, the old trip BACK to the hardware store. lol. That hose i believe is called a vacuum port, don't quote me on that. Not sure what it does, just be sure to re connect it on the intake.

[Matt]

Ahh yes, the old trip BACK to the hardware store. lol.

haha, I know this all too well :p

That hose i believe is called a vacuum port, don't quote me on that. Not sure what it does, just be sure to re connect it on the intake.

Ah, okay. Fawk, one more thing I'll need to integrate, lol. I wonder if those with the BWoody just deleted it... hmmm...

[mzh29]

I doubt it, you should be able to find some kind of a 1/2" hose connector, you have a drill?

[Matt]

I doubt it, you should be able to find some kind of a 1/2" hose connector

Yeah, I'll just drill out a hole and integrate it.

you have a drill?

You serious? :p

[Matt]

Alright, off to Lowes, lol.

[mzh29]

Really all you need to do is find something that is round and will fit in the hose. Then just shove it in the hose, drill your hole in the pvc and plug it in.

[mzh29]

Yeah, I'll just drill out a hole and integrate it.



You serious? :p


I'm sorry no dissrespect intended. You never know.:thumbsup:

[AcidCold]

Matt-
You should of used these bad boys..

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AID-100-350/

[Matt]

Alright, well I returned the 4" and...... bought more 4", lol. I think I can make this work this time though... oh boy, haha.

I'm going to mock it up when the engine cools down a little. So far I'm 30 bucks in. The filter should be somewhere around 50 shipped and then I'll need some plumbers strap (likely) and some random fittings... probably end up doing this for lest than 100 bucks!

Really all you need to do is find something that is round and will fit in the hose. Then just shove it in the hose, drill your hole in the pvc and plug it in.

Yeah, I'm thinking some sort of rubber or PVC fitting will work.

I'm sorry no dissrespect intended. You never know.:thumbsup:

No it's all good, I was just playing around, lol.

[mzh29]

How ya gonna make it work with 4"?

[Matt]

How ya gonna make it work with 4"?

Pics coming in 5 min... woo, I'm pumped I got this 4" in here!

[Matt]

Just a bit over 4" inside diameter.

Going to order an Amsoil EaAU4560 dry filter and then I'll finish it up (lengthen the tubing, dump it, heat shield, maybe heat wrap for the PVC).

This going to end up costing me under $100 and $40 of that is for the filter.

Fitment pics (just removed enough of the intake to test)


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueC6V6gqCI/AAAAAAAAAdc/SfOH9e6rFbQ/s800/1.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueC82FqalI/AAAAAAAAAdo/WhWE3CXvVc4/s800/2.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueC-K-znzI/AAAAAAAAAds/Wqb0tU0AaoY/s800/3.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueC_plFvEI/AAAAAAAAAdw/bJJLbmbpG1Y/s800/4.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueDAjWlUvI/AAAAAAAAAd0/XIHlQDW82Cs/s800/5.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SueDBxgzFRI/AAAAAAAAAd4/WksgmxwoYeM/s800/6.JPG

[Scottina06]

dude......I'm being serious and please just take this as my own opinion....and i'm not being harsh...but that looks bad. I'm very sorry. I really think you should lose the screw together joints and do like the other Matt did. the joints just make it look huge.

[Matt]

dude......I'm being serious and please just take this as my own opinion....and i'm not being harsh...but that looks bad. I'm very sorry. I really think you should lose the screw together joints and do like the other Matt did. the joints just make it look huge.

I appreciate your opinion Scott, but this is purely a functional mod. Hell, I'm probably going to wrap the whole intake with heat wrap and that will make it look ugly anyways. I'm just out to 1) do something DIY and fun, lol, and 2) get my IAT's down. Florida is a bitch! If I wanted it to look cool, I'd done just that, and do what Matt did.

[Scottina06]

I can appreciate that and you probably didnt even ask for opinions anyway...LOL

[AcidCold]

Be careful driving in back of small compacts, you might just suck one right up! :)

[Matt]

I can appreciate that and you probably didnt even ask for opinions anyway...LOL

No way, I always like to hear others thoughts!

Be careful driving in back of small compacts, you might just suck one right up! :)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[mzh29]

Nice work Matt! That thing is gonna move some serious air!!!

[Scottina06]

LOL....dont get behind a smart car or mini

[mzh29]

You should start it up with it on there just to see what it will sound like. lol. I seriously thought about going to 4" only for the reason that when i first start it up and it's idling around 900 rpm before it settles down, you can really hear the sucking air sound from the filter.

[Matt]

Nice work Matt! That thing is gonna move some serious air!!!

Thanks Matt!

LOL....dont get behind a smart car or mini

hahahaha!

You should start it up with it on there just to see what it will sound like. lol. I seriously thought about going to 4" only for the reason that when i first start it up and it's idling around 900 rpm before it settles down, you can really hear the sucking air sound from the filter.

I was tempted, but I forced myself to hold off. No filter = no starting it yet. In due time, haha.

[mzh29]

It would be ok if you just started it in your driveway, just tape the panel filter on the end. lol.

[Matt]

It would be ok if you just started it in your driveway, just tape the panel filter on the end. lol.

hahaha... I'll wait.

[B.P.O.D]

looks good matt. why don't you try painting the outside of the pipe mirror black!

[Matt]

looks good matt. why don't you try painting the outside of the pipe mirror black!

I think I'm going to wrap the pipe with heat wrap. It's not like I have to look at it. Only when I do oil changes/maintenance, and when I occasionally wash under hood. I'm not taking it to any car shows or anything like that. Just looking for function. If I decide not to do the wrap I'll just paint it a flat black.

[Robert Palmer]

Matt, just buy a Bwoody CAI man! You can find deals on them.



Cheapo. :p

[B.P.O.D]

what is this wrap that you speak of?

[Matt]

Matt, just buy a Bwoody CAI man! You can find deals on them.



Cheapo. :p

Why have a BWoody when I can have an MWoody! lol

ehh, I just like anything that's DIY. I'm getting ready to spend over $1,000 on my stereo, so hell I may as well save a few pennies here :p

Plus, dry filters > oiled filters. I would have purchased a dry filter anyways had I gone with the BWoody.

what is this wrap that you speak of?

It's some sort of high-temp installation wrap. Keeps the tube cooler, therefore the air cooler. Not sure how much of that is BS though,

[blackpepper]

It's some sort of high-temp installation wrap. Keeps the tube cooler, therefore the air cooler. Not sure how much of that is BS though,

I got your back.. It's called DEI Cool Tape (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010408) and it's pretty cheap you get a roll of it. It won't stick on bumpy surfaces like (ie) a plastic k/n intake tube but it sticks very nicely on metal and I would assume smooth plastic surfaces. Before I was introduced to the wonders of the bwoody, well, I had a metal intake. It was getting so hot I actually talked to Milous about it and he recommended the cool tape. I ordered some, wrapped the tube up and it greatly reduced it's temperature. Pre-tape, the tube was too hot to touch. Post-tape it was definitely warm but you can just tell that there was a reduction in heat.

Buy this cool tape if you have a metal intake already and want to reduce heat. I might even put it on the bwoody, no reason not to but it's painted and I kinda like that...

Here is the AEM wrapped in the tape:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/rdm395/DSC03663.jpg

[rufdod]

i tried this about a month ago when i originally saw this thread, i tried 4 inch pvc, but it wasnt linning up right and it looked bad with the huge ends, i dont understand what kind of pipe you used? or did you just use pvc and shave off the ends ? The two biggest problems was coming off the TB with a 90 degree it stuck out over the radiator fan, so it didnt line up to go down toward the fender, and the filter didnt fit 4" pvc. i would like to try this again if i can find the right pipe, i may have to go with 3 inch although i would much rather go with 4.

[rufdod]

well i figured out how to do my 4" pvc intake.

Here are the pictures.. i have to trim it , its dark now, and i just got back from lowes. I'm going to paint it either silver, or black for now.. my jeep is silver.

What do you guys think.. construction as well as color?

[rufdod]

how do you attatch the sensor into the new intake? anyone know or have ideas?

[Matt]

I got your back.. It's called DEI Cool Tape (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010408) and it's pretty cheap you get a roll of it. It won't stick on bumpy surfaces like (ie) a plastic k/n intake tube but it sticks very nicely on metal and I would assume smooth plastic surfaces. Before I was introduced to the wonders of the bwoody, well, I had a metal intake. It was getting so hot I actually talked to Milous about it and he recommended the cool tape. I ordered some, wrapped the tube up and it greatly reduced it's temperature. Pre-tape, the tube was too hot to touch. Post-tape it was definitely warm but you can just tell that there was a reduction in heat.

Buy this cool tape if you have a metal intake already and want to reduce heat. I might even put it on the bwoody, no reason not to but it's painted and I kinda like that...

Here is the AEM wrapped in the tape:


Awesome info Ryan, I appreciate the leg work!! DEI Cool Tape link bookmarked!!

i tried this about a month ago when i originally saw this thread, i tried 4 inch pvc, but it wasnt linning up right and it looked bad with the huge ends, i dont understand what kind of pipe you used? or did you just use pvc and shave off the ends ? The two biggest problems was coming off the TB with a 90 degree it stuck out over the radiator fan, so it didnt line up to go down toward the fender, and the filter didnt fit 4" pvc. i would like to try this again if i can find the right pipe, i may have to go with 3 inch although i would much rather go with 4.

I went with the thinner of the two types of PVC. The 90 off the TB, then two 45's to put the tubing back in line.

I went with an Amsoil filter. They have all of the measurements of their filters on their website. I'm sure you'll be able to find one that fits.

well i figured out how to do my 4" pvc intake.

Here are the pictures.. i have to trim it , its dark now, and i just got back from lowes. I'm going to paint it either silver, or black for now.. my jeep is silver.

What do you guys think.. construction as well as color?

Looks perfect!!

[Matt]

how do you attatch the sensor into the new intake? anyone know or have ideas?

I'm going to finish mine when my filter gets here, but mzh29 (Matt) posted a few ideas in replies somewhere on this thread.

[mzh29]

Looks good!

What have I done?!?! lol, j/k. Nice work guys!

[Matt]

Looks good!

What have I done?!?! lol, j/k. Nice work guys!

haha!

[mzh29]

My wife says my intake reminds her of a sea snake.

[Matt]

^ lol

[mzh29]

I see what she's talking about, kind of like one of those coral snakes.

[B.P.O.D]

good work guys!!!!

[rufdod]

here is the almost finished product, i need to paint it either silver or black. I'm still trying to decide if i want to extend it into the fender well and make it a true CAI. How important do you guys think it is..Bwoody makes both correct? the 3.5" goes into the fender well, and the 4" stops right before, as well as a few other intakes?

it is pretty tight trying to get the filter and 4" pipe through the opening that is there, i dont know if it will work without any rattling either, so if there isn't any major benefits to doing this, im going to leave it where its at now. What do you guys think?

[B.P.O.D]

looks good bro...

[rufdod]

for anyone else doing this on a hemi, dont use the "long tube" 90 degree elbows to come off the TB, it makes it too long and runs into the coolant cap.

[mzh29]

I'm getting this noise when I decelerate, right before it shifts from 2nd to 1st gear I hear this kind of "cccrrrrr" noise. It only lasts for a brief second right before it downshifts. It does it about 90% of the time, it usually goes away after a while of driving. I did hear the noise once with it in park and revving it at the throttle, it sounded like it was coming from the black box that mounts to the stock airbox. Anybody else experience this with their cai? What is that black box? I pulled the tube off the box once and the tube started sucking in air. Any ideas?

[Matt]

No idea man... maybe another 4.7 will chime in..

[mzh29]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mzh29/IMGP1211.jpg


This picture shows the box I'm talking about. Not the overflow tank but the box right in front of it.

[mjl2610]

Matt, that looks like it is the box that at one point was attached to the factory intake box (side). That is your vacuum reservoir for the vacuum supply system/speed control servo or whatever its called. So something i assume with cruise control and maintaining speed when going up and down grades.

[mjl2610]

Infact to make sure i was 100% correct (or as close as possible lol), I just went and checked my WK service manual... page 8P-1 discusses speed control if you were interested in the system that uses/involves that vacuum box. It does relate to what i mentioned. That should help.

[mzh29]

Awsome thanks Mike, I'll have to check it out.

[B.P.O.D]

when i installed my k+n cai it stated:

18. On vehicles equipped with vacuum reser-
voir, using the provided spacer, install the
vacuum reservoir onto the heat shield as
shown.

23. On vehicles equipped reconnect the vacu-
um reservoir vacuum line.

[mjl2610]

If i had to guess i probably get all these weird noises also... but when i accelerate between the roar form the engine and the rumble from the exhaust i personally cant hear any other "noises" from the jeep. haha. For all i know its falling apart.

[DJ BoNiOmArIo]

man now I definitely don't wanna spend all that money on CAI!!!

This is my second do at home project after I do my mesh grill one this weekend :)

thanks guys

[mzh29]

I have all the hoses and lines hooked up. It hasn't done it recently since I took out the 91 octane tune from superchips. Boy, Mike I know you say that you didn't notice that big of a difference with superchips, but once you take the tune out and drive it at stock settings, I promise you, you will. The only reason i set it back to stock is because I had my wife riding with me, I was on dead empty, and she doesn't know I've been running premium gas. I told her i got superchips to boost fuel economy:D. Once this tank runs out, back to premium immediately.


As for being able to hear it, it only happened when I was slowing down. Believe me, when I hit it, a conversion is a challenge.

[mjl2610]

Oh i agree that the superchips made my Jeep feel better when driving it... (shifting and the old butt dyno) but my thing is if the 0-60 timer has any hint of accuracy, the consistent 8.5 second 0-60 for my jeep is hardly an improvement from stock in my opinoin.

[mzh29]

Oh i agree that the superchips made my Jeep feel better when driving it... (shifting and the old butt dyno) but my thing is if the 0-60 timer has any hint of accuracy, the consistent 8.5 second 0-60 for my jeep is hardly an improvement from stock in my opinoin.


Dam, 8.5 consistently? when you update your programmer, are you sure you have all your firewall settings turned off for the easy update program? I didn't realize my tuner was getting messed up by my firewall, it would only dl partial updates, consiquently my jeep didn't run that great.

[mjl2610]

Dam, 8.5 consistently? when you update your programmer, are you sure you have all your firewall settings turned off for the easy update program? I didn't realize my tuner was getting messed up by my firewall, it would only dl partial updates, consiquently my jeep didn't run that great.
Yes, consistently. That is why i haven't given up this gripe...:p. I guess i can try and run an update from my computer if there are any. I never connected the programmer to my computer at all since i had it. :rolleyes:

[mzh29]

Yes, consistently. That is why i haven't given up this gripe...:p. I guess i can try and run an update from my computer if there are any. I never connected the programmer to my computer at all since i had it. :rolleyes:

Yeah, give it a try. If you go on the superchips forum, there is a tutorial that you should go through first to make sure the program works properly.

Link:
https://www.superchips.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2050

[mjl2610]

Its doing the updating now and downloading all these updates... So once it is done how do i re apply the tune? Go back to stock then to the tune i choose?

[mzh29]

Its doing the updating now and downloading all these updates... So once it is done how do i re apply the tune? Go back to stock then to the tune i choose?


Yeah, that would be the safest bet. Go back to stock, then do the tune. Sometimes I'll go straight from one tune to another. But i think they recommend going back to stock each time. You don't have an aftermarket amp do you?

[mjl2610]

No i don't have any aftermarket electronics in the Jeep. Sometimes wish i had a sub but i am not that big of an audio guy to care. I might get one one day.

[mzh29]

No i don't have any aftermarket electronics in the Jeep. Sometimes wish i had a sub but i am not that big of an audio guy to care. I might get one one day.


I hear ya, I've had this same amp for 3 cars now lol. Still works. I hope this update works for ya. Did you get the tpms update?

[Chaoul1]

Maybe AirRam can get SCT can get a tune for you guys with the 07's.

[mjl2610]

I dont know what updates it did, but it did something. Although after the updates to the tuner and thrown on the jeep, with test runs the best i could do is 0-40..4.34, 50...6.34, 60..8.55. :( hahaha i guess it is what it is.

[mzh29]

That is really weird, the only other thing i could think of is maybe the spark plugs?

[mjl2610]

Not sure... they were changed 9k miles ago and they make the jeep run far smoother and did feel better even in the stock mode back when i replaced out the copper ones that were shot. I might just post up a topic on superchips forum explaining the situation and see what someone thinks.


Ill just have to hold out for a hemi in my next vehicle from chrysler. ;)

[08Hemi]

I got your back.. It's called DEI Cool Tape (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010408) and it's pretty cheap you get a roll of it. It won't stick on bumpy surfaces like (ie) a plastic k/n intake tube but it sticks very nicely on metal and I would assume smooth plastic surfaces. Before I was introduced to the wonders of the bwoody, well, I had a metal intake. It was getting so hot I actually talked to Milous about it and he recommended the cool tape. I ordered some, wrapped the tube up and it greatly reduced it's temperature. Pre-tape, the tube was too hot to touch. Post-tape it was definitely warm but you can just tell that there was a reduction in heat.

Buy this cool tape if you have a metal intake already and want to reduce heat. I might even put it on the bwoody, no reason not to but it's painted and I kinda like that...

Here is the AEM wrapped in the tape:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/rdm395/DSC03663.jpg



Couple questions Ryan - I want to wrap my intake with "cool tape". You said in your post that it won't stick to plastic (my airaid intake tube) so I was looking at this stuff

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010416/

and it seems like this may work better as it is not exhaust wrap? My other question is when you wrapped it, did you overlap and keep one continuous piece or individually cut pieces to wrap it in sections and overlap that way?



Anyone have experience with this stuff??? This stuff looks cool!!!

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/THE-14000/