JEEP still having ALOT of problems

[08HEMIJEEP]

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[mjl2610]

That is pretty unfortunate Ryan that you are having all those problems. STILL. They can save a lot more time and aggravation from you and all respective parties by just killing that one you have and getting a new one from factory.

[BUBBADOG]

Maybe your jeep was made when jeep was going under and didnt care lol...Man that sucks u keep going through this i know i would be PISSED

[mjl2610]

I will say one thing, it is super frustrating when you have to take your car into a shop all the time. Ryan, do you have an extended warranty at all? The one nice thing about it is that if i ever have to take mine in to the dealer, like i used to more often for erroneous checks and repairs, i get a free rental every single time and its charged to Chrysler.

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So i can just kinda be like here take the thing, take your time while i still have transportation.

However, i think after a while of spending all that money on your truck someone would have to wake up and say, OK, what the heck is going on here and investigate the situation.

[jkram]

I think you should follow the buy back procedure, without a lawyer. If you bring or mention a lawyer they get more defensive. The process will take longer.
If you have a problem they can't cure, they will buy it back. You pay for the mileage you used up to the date you brought it in for the complaint.

[Scottina06]

I would use caution and hopefully your "black box" has been cleared. You have posted here some of the "fun" you have had in theis Jeep. Hopefully the info from that "fun" is gone. Mt brother lemoned a Nissan Quest minivan and they knew everything about how the vehicle was driven from the black box. They even mentionmed a 100 mph run(his wifes mother was hurt in an accident and she was trying to get to the hospital in panic) It had nothing to do with the 100's of electrical problems his Nissan had...but they mentioned it as abuse.

[robpp]

http://www.lemonlaw.com/pa-lemon-law.html just for information about your states lemon law. every state is different.

[ducks unlimited]

in pa for it to be a lemon it has to have the same problem happen 3 times !! because i call chrysler when my front control modual broke they said they cant do anything about it ...it is a recall for the fcm call you dealer and ask

[Dylans3960ccs]

did they ever replace the torque converter? (you may have mentioned it earlier in a different way that I couldn't under stand)

[Nand12]

From what I've read, here are the list of possibilities that cause WK stalling:

1. Low Transmission Fluid Level
2. Bad Coolant Temperature Sensor
3. Bad Crank Position Sensor
4. Bad Cam Position Sensor
5. Bad Steering Angle Sensor
6. Bad Ignition Switch
7. Bad ECU
8. Bad Final Drive Control Module (FDCM)
9. Knee hitting key (probably not likely in your case)

I personally feel that you need a new ECU because if it keeps giving the same O2 sensor code after all the harnesses, O2 sensors, and exhaust manifolds have been checked/replaced then the ECU must be bad. Suggest that the ECU should be replaced to your dealer and see what they say and while you're at it have them test all the sensors if they haven't done so already.

[NHWK05]

I dont know what to say about everything else but i wish people would listen to me.

STALLING is a Torque converter issue, its a lack of pressure. Add 1/2 to 3/4 a QT of ATF + 4 fluid and it will stop.

It has worked in every single stalling WK for everyone person i know that has tired it.

the dealership looked at my jeep 2 times trying to fix the issue to no avail. I brought my jeep to another dealership, spoke with a master jeep tech, i had not finished describing my problem and he told me to do this. IT WILL NOT HURT ANYTHING. Its too small of an amount to do anything. IT WORKS.

[Robert Palmer]

All I can say is that dont let the dealer see the 4wd burnout vid. :D

[NHWK05]

Please, Please, Please, just try add 1/2 a qt of fluid. If it does not work for you for some strange reason i will give you the money for the Qt of atf. I just want to get another person on this forum that will try it with success to back me up.


The problem is a lack of pressure in the tranny because it is already under filled from the manufacturer and the specs to do a flush are under filling it. Adding 1/2 a QT will not hurt the transmission because there is a 1/2 less in there then there needs to be.

I did it to mine months ago and it has not stalled ever since then and i have taken at least 3 long trips since then and i drive my jeep every day and there are no side effects.

Jeep wont admit that is the problem because it says every where do not over fill and and if someone adds TOO MUCH it could become a problem. But if you add 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt it wont be a problem and your jeep wont stall any more.

[mjl2610]

I would say that Ryan has a flat out just messed up Jeep. However, with the stalling and the transmission fluid being low, sounds like a good easy thing to try and probably does infact work as you have had experience with this. He should give it a try. Don't worry i believe you Kyle, lol.

[Nand12]

Yes, it could be low transmission fluid, however, I think it's electrical because of the check engine light and random messages flashing on his EVIC. Since most of the main electrical components have been replaced, maybe the ignition switch should be replaced because if the contacts aren't consistent, it could cause fluctuating voltage and that can cause a myriad of electrical issues. In fact, many of the '05 and '06 WK's with similar issues were fixed by replacing the ignition switch with an updated part number.

[Dylans3960ccs]

I dont know what to say about everything else but i wish people would listen to me.

STALLING is a Torque converter issue, its a lack of pressure. Add 1/2 to 3/4 a QT of ATF + 4 fluid and it will stop.

It has worked in every single stalling WK for everyone person i know that has tired it.

the dealership looked at my jeep 2 times trying to fix the issue to no avail. I brought my jeep to another dealership, spoke with a master jeep tech, i had not finished describing my problem and he told me to do this. IT WILL NOT HURT ANYTHING. Its too small of an amount to do anything. IT WORKS.

sounds like his dealer is just making a big fuss about nothing, don't worry my question wasn't anwsered either lol, I think your definately right about this

PEOPLE LISTEN TO KYLE!!!

OR ELSE!!!

[ducks unlimited]

i noticed today that my jeep is stalling too

[mjl2610]

Yes, it could be low transmission fluid, however, I think it's electrical because of the check engine light and random messages flashing on his EVIC. Since most of the main electrical components have been replaced, maybe the ignition switch should be replaced because if the contacts aren't consistent, it could cause fluctuating voltage and that can cause a myriad of electrical issues. In fact, many of the '05 and '06 WK's with similar issues were fixed by replacing the ignition switch with an updated part number.
Yeah i completely agree with you on this. While sure it may help his stalling issue but all the weird electrical issues he has gotta be something different. Just a whole bunch of crazy problems.

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i noticed today that my jeep is stalling too
For the heck of it, when checking the fluid level on the dipstick for my trans, it was over the "double dot" hot mark sitting cold in the garage. So it might be overfilled or it might not be but since i never had a stalling issue, so it might be at an alright level, that is if low trans fluid could cause stalling. It does make sense however especially of the vehicle is going to stall when gears are changed :confused:

[NHWK05]

My jeep always stalled at a quick stop (when it would be down shifting) or in stop and go traffic.

[Robert Palmer]

When my HEMI stalled it was because of a bad CPS.

[Marlin]

Geez, what a wart!

[Robert Palmer]

Get an SRT8. :D

[NHWK05]

I dont think the trans level is low. It might have something to do with that on some vehicles. After my JEEP stalls it WONT start back up. I have to put it in park, turn the ignition off, and than open the door. Works every time. I am not going to fix it my self due to JEEP should be able to fix it and plus i am having all kinds of problems i want them to give me another one. :D:p


Get a new jeep.

[NHWK05]

Sounds like you got a LEMON.

[Robert Palmer]

Get an SRT8 if they buy it back.

[08Hemi]

Yeah Ryan it sounds like you got a bad egg...good luck with everything and i hope Jeep/Chrysler steps up and takes care of you!

[blackpepper]

It's a beautiful ride bro, too bad it's giving you all those problems... best of luck I had to put my stock air box back on one time and it turned out to be a leak in the cats after about four visits. They almost called a rep to come out and they said that Chrysler won't send anyone out if there are aftermarket parts. They seem to be really strict about that so if you want it fixed by the manufacturer, you're going to have to work with them.

God speed.. lol

[mjl2610]

Hope all goes well Ryan.

[Nand12]

I've been thinking about why your O2 sensor keeps throwing a code and maybe it's actually registering a rich or lean condition and it's not faulty. Your dealer should check the engine and make sure that there are no fuel/air/spark issues on the bank of cylinders which the O2 sensor is monitoring. Do you notice the engine running rough or hesitating? The stalling could be because the O2 signal is out of whack due to mechanical issues with the engine.

[jkram]

Does it stumble and skip before it stalls?
When it stalls are the gauges dead like the electrical is off?
Does it smell like it's running rich?
Does it stall at highway speed or when shifting?

I wish I could see it happen. I had a WK with problems and it "consumed" me. I was loosing my mind. I hope they get you fixed up one way or another.

[JeepGuy026]

i think thats a load of bull, i honestly believe no matter what id be unhappy and just say listen, give me a jeep of equal value and equipment and ill be happy. If its not working properly for me, exchange it and make a customer happy, I work in retail not cars but sometimes thats what needs to be done to satisfy a customer and solve an issue because obviously thier finding nothing wrong with it but its not driving right when your in it so if its fine you take it back and sell it to someone else and give him a Jeep Thats New or same mileage and equipment for his.

[robpp]

if it didnt happen see if they will elt you take it with that recorder thing fior a few more days.....

GL

[08Hemi]

Yeah good call rob...who knows to what extent they will lie to you so they don't have to incurr a $hit load of expenses/costs. man that whole aftermarket parts thing is a load of BS! Good luck and keep us posted...

[Dylans3960ccs]

you know the problem could be that your putting bad gas in it, so ask neighbors about the place that you normaly buy gas at, it could have some water in it or lord knows what, if your neighbors say bad things about that place then it's safe to say you probably shouldn't buy gas there any-more.

[mjl2610]

Hows it been since you got it back ryan?

[Marlin]

Man, no way would "pin holes in the exhaust" cause that. They are just trying to palm the problem off and blame it on something aftermarket.
Sorrry to hear you've had so many issues with your HEMI!!! (gotta love a HEMI but :))

[08Hemi]

yeah bro it is lawyer time...don't mess around. If they want to play games, get a third party involved that knows their $hit!!! AND there is no way pin-holes in the exhaust would cause all of this. I had a header leak in my 02' 4.7 dakota and all it did was cause a slight loss of power and a funky noise. I had this for over a month and the truck never stalled (and this a was a lot more than a couple pin-holes)...took it into the dealer with 65K miles on it and 5 years and they fixed it under powertrian warranty.

Good luck...such a shame for such a gorgeous JEEP!!!

[Chaoul1]

Get something done quick.

[08Hemi]

so last night my car just shut off while I was on the freeway! I was cruising at 65 and all of the sudden the dash went black, engine off and the stereo stayed on. Just like when you turn off your car and havent opened the door yet. WTF? Ryan, Is this similar to what has happened when yours shuts off? Any info is appreciated...what is the status with your bad boy??? Lawyer help?

[Dylans3960ccs]

I just found this recall, has your dealer heard about this?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/chrysler-recalls-jeep-grand-cherokee-and-commander-for-stalling/

[kudah]

that recall only applies to 08 Jeeps built during one week in dec of 07. not too many vehicles will it apply to.

[scottydog]

so last night my car just shut off while I was on the freeway! I was cruising at 65 and all of the sudden the dash went black, engine off and the stereo stayed on. Just like when you turn off your car and havent opened the door yet. WTF? Ryan, Is this similar to what has happened when yours shuts off? Any info is appreciated...what is the status with your bad boy??? Lawyer help?

Many guys have inadvertently hit the ignition key with their knee.

[08Hemi]

I know but they fixed that issue in the 08...plus I am 6'1 and I sit as far back as possible. For me to hit my knee on the key, my nuts would be on the steering wheel. Sounds like fun, but I don't roll that way!

[Dylans3960ccs]

that really sucks, they just need to buy back that lemon!

any updates on the legal situation?

[Robert Palmer]

I have your solution. Leave the Jeep unlocked in North Philly. :D

[Robert Palmer]

Oh and you did not hear that from me. lol

[brent]

I dont know what to say about everything else but i wish people would listen to me.

STALLING is a Torque converter issue, its a lack of pressure. Add 1/2 to 3/4 a QT of ATF + 4 fluid and it will stop.

It has worked in every single stalling WK for everyone person i know that has tired it.

the dealership looked at my jeep 2 times trying to fix the issue to no avail. I brought my jeep to another dealership, spoke with a master jeep tech, i had not finished describing my problem and he told me to do this. IT WILL NOT HURT ANYTHING. Its too small of an amount to do anything. IT WORKS.

I had my Jeep stall on me twice today at lunch. Glad it was just stop and go traffic.

I picked up some ATF+4 today at teh dealer, but was curious if you were certain that adding ATF+4 fluid fixed other jeeps besides the 4.7 before I add more fluid? I have a 5.7 and having it stall twice in a 15 minute period was enough to raise an eyebrow for me.

Thanks!

[ducks unlimited]

I just found this recall, has your dealer heard about this?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/chrysler-recalls-jeep-grand-cherokee-and-commander-for-stalling/
i had this fixed in my jeep

[TimmyB]

Never just add trans fluid if its already to the full level.

[brent]

Never just add trans fluid if its already to the full level.

That's some good, solid advice Timmy. I'm going to wait and check the fluid level before doing anything after following the instructions to check it. I'm going in to the dealer next week for another issue, I may ask them about it. But I'm not hopeful about taking it to the dealer. My old dealer was closed in the big Chrysler fiasco and now I've been relegated to a dealer who has frustrated the the hell out of me (example: I'm taking it in for a 3x on a non-functional power mirror).

Anyway, much appreciate the advice. I'll check the level first, but I was curious about the "overfill it by a 1/2 qt" responses to the stalling issue and wondered if this fix applied to all the WK models or just the 4.7.

[TimmyB]

That's some good, solid advice Timmy. I'm going to wait and check the fluid level before doing anything after following the instructions to check it. I'm going in to the dealer next week for another issue, I may ask them about it. But I'm not hopeful about taking it to the dealer. My old dealer was closed in the big Chrysler fiasco and now I've been relegated to a dealer who has frustrated the the hell out of me (example: I'm taking it in for a 3x on a non-functional power mirror).

Anyway, much appreciate the advice. I'll check the level first, but I was curious about the "overfill it by a 1/2 qt" responses to the stalling issue and wondered if this fix applied to all the WK models or just the 4.7.


Sweet, hope I stopped you from adding fluid without checking the level first. I did read the posts above where they said adding trans fluid fixed the car from stalling, but I really never heard of a car stalling from lack of transmission fluid. I DO know from my previous older model GC when the transmission fluid was low the symtoms were the car wouldnt shift into a higher gear, seamed to stay in 3rd and rev'ed really high. After checking the fluid to verify that it was infact low I added some to the proper full level and it shifted and ran perfectly. I would think stalling is more a fuel related issue, but with these newer electronically controlled cars who the hell knows. Wish I had an answer for you. The only thing im sure of is NEVER overfill fluids, so make sure to check levels before just adding.

[TimmyB]

To check the trans fluid in my previous 94 GC I had the car parked and running with the e brake on, then slowly went thru the gear shifter, from P-R-N-1-2-D then back into park.(that jeep had 1st and 2nd on the shifter) Check the level with the car running, should be to the full line, if not add a little bit at a time till full. Im anal so I went thru the procedures 2-3 times to make sure, use a clean rag to wipe the dip stick clean every time to get a good reading.

[brent]

Well, turns out I was low on transmission fluid. The level was right at the twist in the dip stick which is below the hot reading. I added less than a 1/4 quart and will check it again in 24 hours because I couldn't get a good measurement after adding fluid..

[TimmyB]

^^^ In my other cars it didnt take alot of fluid to bring it up the proper fill level. Add a little bit at a time as your doing and recheck it.

[brent]

Just a note on some possible issues of "overfilling" to alleviate stalling issues. I found this in the service manual.

"A low fluid level allows the pump to take in air along with the fluid. Air in the fluid will cause fluid pressures to be low and develop slower than normal. If the transmission is overfilled, the gears churn the fluid into foam. This aerates the fluid and causing the same conditions occurring with a low level. In either case, air bubbles cause fluid overheating, oxidation, and varnish buildup which interferes with valve and clutch operation. Foaming also causes fluid expansion which can result in fluid overflow from the transmission vent or fill tube. Fluid overflow can easily be mistaken for a leak if inspection is not careful. "