The Sleepy 4.7..................

[FlyinRyan]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q296/iampilot/Jeep2009.jpg?t=1251494216

Vehicle: 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4
Specs: 4.7 Standard Output, Towing Package, Quadradrive w/ Vari-Lok

Suspension: Hybrid Lift, parts picked myself.
Coils: Factory Upcountry Coils, 2" Rubicon Express Front Coil Spacers
Shocks: JKS Shock Mount Conversion Kit, JKS Bar Pin Eliminators, Bilstein 5150 Reservior Shocks up front, Rubicon Express Twin Tubes in the back
Front End: JKS Adjustable trackbar w/ 60d Rockwell Poly Bushings
Rear End: Addco 1" Swaybar w/ Energy Poly Bushings

Engine Management/Tuning: Stock calibration (formerly SCT). Torque Management deleted.

Performance:
Intake: UNI Racing 6x11 open element, 4" custom insulated intake tube, Flyin' Ryan Performance Throttle Body, Air Ram TB Adapter, 2008 Gen 2 4.7 Manifold (VHT coated)
Exhaust: Thunderbolt ceramic 2" pre-cats, 3" Y-pipe, 3" piping , 3" Thunderbolt Metallic Race Cat, 3" SI/SO Magnaflow Stainless 4x14 Round Case Muffler, Kolak Performance Mandrel Tailpipe (JUNK, NICK IANUZZI AKA KOLAK IS A SCHIESTER, WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH HIM AGAIN), all ceramic coated
Misc: Jet 180-Thermostat, Crankcase Breather Filter, Aftermarket radiator

[DAVY27]

mmmmm....got a place to go off roading i see.... wish we got something like that in nyc : (

[Dylans3960ccs]

Stock wheels?

[FlyinRyan]

Stock wheels?

Yes, for now. 17" Avilas.

I intend on swapping on some American Racing Torque Thrust II's. Probably sometime Spring/Summer 2010.

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mmmmm....got a place to go off roading i see.... wish we got something like that in nyc : (

I live in NJ, about 90 mins south of the city.

[Redsand]

hey ryan why dont you invest in a real camera while ur at it lol

[Scottina06]

nice bro....but we need way more pics...LOL

[dreamer1213]

Hiiii Ryan!!! Very nice to see you here!! Jeep looks great!! Your Jeep is my Jeep's alter ego! ;)

[Robert Palmer]

Hey is that NJ state inspection sticker valid? :D

[FlyinRyan]

hey ryan why dont you invest in a real camera while ur at it lol

LOL its a little more convienient to use the Barackberry to take pics. Click, Email, Upload, Done.

I'll get some better ones up here soon.

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Hiiii Ryan!!! Very nice to see you here!! Jeep looks great!! Your Jeep is my Jeep's alter ego! ;)

You're saying it looks great because you haven't seen it up close LOL

It needs a good buffing, clay-bar and waxing. I also have a bunch of small dings (not my doing)- it's a PDR man's wet dream.

My badges are peeling too....Wanna help me shave them? :lol:

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Hey is that NJ state inspection sticker valid? :D

LOL it is!!! No buy a sticker BS here.....I think it's due in Feb, but I'll be out of the state until May. Kinda worried about passing due to exhaust (LOUD)

[Robert Palmer]

One or two of these should get you that sticker:

http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/50%20dollar%20bill%20new.jpg


:D

Everybody has a price.

[dreamer1213]

Ryan...I would love to help you shave your badges...LMAO!!!! :lol:

I'm sure I'll see the good ol' WJ soon...and I'll be happy to help you get all those badges off.. ;)

[Dylans3960ccs]

we need to get at least one other person from GA!

good lord there's literly no one else on here from Georgia. :wtf:

[Martyp]

Looks good Ryan, good to have another performance WJ/4.7 owner here too for ideas and advice etc!

[jeepnjeep]

Always good to see a Jeep off road. Good job.

[Chaoul1]

Nice WJ! Welcome to JG!

[Z88Z]

NICE DUB J!

Seems like I've seen that somewhere recently :)

Sounded GREAT btw!

[FlyinRyan]

Ryan...I would love to help you shave your badges...LMAO!!!! :lol:

I'm sure I'll see the good ol' WJ soon...and I'll be happy to help you get all those badges off.. ;)
You make it sound so dirty :lol: I said BADGE shaving, Hannes, not BEAVER shaving!


Looks good Ryan, good to have another performance WJ/4.7 owner here too for ideas and advice etc!
Thanks Marty. I have been around long enough to see what works and what , well, doesn't. And now I'm a vendor! :thumbsup:

Always good to see a Jeep off road. Good job.
Thanks

NICE DUB J!

Seems like I've seen that somewhere recently :)

Sounded GREAT btw!

Thank you John. For those that are not in the loop, I was in mid-road trip when I stopped off the highway to see Z88Z here and his stable of ZJ's. Hes got so much work to do even he can't keep it all straight :lol:

[FlyinRyan]

My Spectra Radiator came in yesterday. POS was sagging in the middle! Was bad enough that it literally looked like a smiley face. Getting a replacement sent out to me by RockAuto tomorrow. Pathetic!

In other news, I just finished having my exhaust re-hung (hangers sheared from excessive torque). Next up is ceramic coating the exhaust.

[dreamer1213]

Dammit man..thats sucky!! Why do you think it was sagging?

[FlyinRyan]

Dammit man..thats sucky!! Why do you think it was sagging?

I never actually got to see it first-hand...It was sent to my buddy's house- he is a mechanic so we are installing it at his place....but based on his account, it literally looked like the thing got too heat during the fabrication process.

It should be getting shipped back today...so I'll have it by next week sometime.

[B.P.O.D]

truck looks nice bro!!! more pics and exhaust sound clips please!!!!!!

[FlyinRyan]

2 weeks later, I have a new radiator from Rock Auto. Havent seen this one either, but it looks like they got it right this time. Install will likely be sometime this week or the weekend. Also gonna modify my thermostat to run a little cooler. Already a 180, gonna try to put a small hole in it so it stays around 170ish.

[BUBBADOG]

Will u get a check engine light for your 170ish?? i heard guys running the 160 get them...I wanted to lower mine just wondering

[FlyinRyan]

Will u get a check engine light for your 170ish?? i heard guys running the 160 get them...I wanted to lower mine just wondering

I don't think I will...Any lower and it might be an issue. If I can get it to hold 180 in traffic and 170 at cruise, thats fine. I need that extra cooling edge.

[scjeep4.7HO]

I ran a 160 t stat. It ran too cold and did not get up to temp in time which made it throw a CEL.

[FlyinRyan]

Will u get a check engine light for your 170ish?? i heard guys running the 160 get them...I wanted to lower mine just wondering

Why is it that you're looking to lower it further Shawn? If it's holding 180 at all times then I'd leave it be.

I am hoping it doesn't trip a CEL.

[FlyinRyan]

I ran a 160 t stat. It ran too cold and did not get up to temp in time which made it throw a CEL.

I could see a 160 being an issue. How'd you get a 160 anyhow? modify a 5.9 t-stat?

[scjeep4.7HO]

Yes sir. i modified a Dakota R/T T stat

[FlyinRyan]

Yesterday we swapped out my radiator, after a month's worth of delays.

To anyone that may end up doing this in the future on a 4.7 WJ, I'd recommend at least one other set of hands to help. It is so tight to get the radiator in, we literally lathered the frame rails in VASELINE to get it seated right.

It took myself plus 2 seasoned marine/diesel mechanics 2.5 hours to swap this POS out.

BTW, what passes as an acceptable cooling system amazes me. the factory 1-row radiator is a joke. If time and money were of no concern to me, I would have retrofitted a 3-row universal rad and ditched the hydraulic fan for 2 electric fans. Believe it or not there would be MORE space in the engine bay...which is so badly needed.

[Robert Palmer]

Where are the videos of the exhaust? You have 1 day to get one or BAN!









:D :D :D :D jk


But I would like to see one.

[FlyinRyan]

Where are the videos of the exhaust? You have 1 day to get one or BAN!









:D :D :D :D jk


But I would like to see one.

Joe, Hannes copied my exhaust setup...the only difference is that I am running Thunderbolt ceramic precats and a race 3rd cat, where he is running factory metallic precats and no 3rd cat. His is a little louder than mine.

I'll get one real soon, looks like I'll finally be able to load up my new SCT 93 file.

[Scottina06]

info on the 180 stat for the 4.7 would be aprreciated

[FlyinRyan]

info on the 180 stat for the 4.7 would be aprreciated
Its available, you need PCM tuning to get anything out of it

Update:

CEL came on. Cyl 1 Misfire. UGH. Stay tuned.

[dreamer1213]

Dammmnn Ryan...you say it like its a bad thing....I dind't copy you're exhaust system...I was inspired by it... ;)

Is the misfire because of the tune you uploaded??

[FlyinRyan]

Dammmnn Ryan...you say it like its a bad thing....I dind't copy you're exhaust system...I was inspired by it... ;)

Is the misfire because of the tune you uploaded??

No....Still havent re-loaded the tune. Have to replace the coil, and then we'll go from there.

Today the Jeep got hit HARD by a carcass of a Semi trailer tire. It hit hard enough to slightly indent the area of the hood slightly and scratch up 2 grape-fruit sized portions of the hood down to primer.

I'm going to have to live with the indent until I get get a PDR guy to pull it out, and i'll touch up the scratches so it at least looks halfway decent.

:mad:

[Chaoul1]

Any pics? Sorry for the incident.

[Scottina06]

Its available, you need PCM tuning to get anything out of it

Update:

CEL came on. Cyl 1 Misfire. UGH. Stay tuned.


LOL....you dont know me very well do ya......:thumbsup:

[FlyinRyan]

LOL....you dont know me very well do ya......:thumbsup:

You're not understanding what I meant.

I meant that in order to take advantage of the 180 t-stat, you have to modify the settings of the hydraulic fan to come on earlier. The stock program lets it spin from 100-500 rpm at all times, and it comes on at high speed at 220* F. My truck will hold 180 no problem on the highway, but sitting in traffic it will creep up to 195. This is on the stock tune.

[FlyinRyan]

At last, a decent picture...no whining about the quality this time :lol:

[HEMIBeast]

Looks good Ryan. Anymore pictures?

[dreamer1213]

Cool pic Ryan....we need to meet up again so I can take some pix of the PDR WJ's... :D

Complete opposites of each other, yet still so similar!

[FlyinRyan]

Cool pic Ryan....we need to meet up again so I can take some pix of the PDR WJ's... :D

Complete opposites of each other, yet still so similar!

Hannes....PDR? I'm not sure what that stands for. Paintless Dent Removal? :D

I dropped the ball on us meeting up again these last few weeks, very very sorry. I've been swamped with backed up porting work and school (not in that order).

I actually need to see you to hear your exhaust setup with the stock metallic precats and no 3rd cat....I believe the ceramics I hastily purchased and had welded in last year are either starting to clog up or come apart (have a rattle again...:mad: ) . I am debating either gutting them, running straight pipe through them, or just running metallics in their place (all of these is with the metallic 3rd cat). The issue is O2 related CEL's and noise. I ran modded OEM precats with no 3rd cat with the 4x14" Mag and it was WAY too loud.

[FlyinRyan]

This one is for Joe....suck it, hater. LOL

[FlyinRyan]

This pic was taken about 8 months ago at Orlando Spin World....I bring you the world's first WJ with a ZJ tailpipe! thanks KOLAK! :mad::mad::mad:

After much arguing and finger pointing I eventually had a WJ tailpipe sent out to me.

[dreamer1213]

PDR = Graphite Metallic Ryan!! Can't believe you forgot those 3 letters...LOL!!

WOW that ZJ tailpipe looks sooooooooooooo weird on there....totally out of place!

Mine is LOUD! And that loudness together with the you know what sound it makes at WOT shifts...I almost wanna put a "quieter" muffler, or resonator, or something on it...you'll hear it soon tho! :D

[FlyinRyan]

PDR = Graphite Metallic Ryan!! Can't believe you forgot those 3 letters...LOL!!

WOW that ZJ tailpipe looks sooooooooooooo weird on there....totally out of place!

Mine is LOUD! And that loudness together with the you know what sound it makes at WOT shifts...I almost wanna put a "quieter" muffler, or resonator, or something on it...you'll hear it soon tho! :D

What is the significance of the letters PDR? I knew the paint is Graphite Metallic but that was it...

it started to grow on me after a while, but I prefer the very stealthy WJ tailpipe instead.

Per our discussion tonight, I think I'm just gonna swap the ceramics out for some metallics instead. I don't have that farting noise at all.

[HEMIBeast]

Ryan are you keeping the lift on? Im sure the lift isn't helping you with the times your are trying to obtain.

[FlyinRyan]

I am Alfredo. The tires hurt me more than the lift, and I plan on at some point picking up some torque thrust 2's that will either reduce that weight gain or completely offset it. I've got some other issues holding me back at the moment

[dreamer1213]

Ohhhh Ryan...PDR is the paint code...lol!

Well that is just funny that I have it...oh well...I'll fix it later...

[FlyinRyan]

Ohhhh Ryan...PDR is the paint code...lol!

Well that is just funny that I have it...oh well...I'll fix it later...

Oh. Wasn't aware of that, always referred to it as Graphite Metallic.

I have the fix. Come down to Daytona and I'll do it for you. Quit pussyfootin', Hannes. :lol::lol:

Latest updates....modified the coolant mix from 95% distilled water 5% coolant to about 75/25.....Runs cooler...

Also deleted the rear cowl gasket. Seems to help cooling at speed. Looks like my cooling issues are finally under control.

Looks like SCT will be adding additional tables to the DCX Advantage software so that I can modify my hydraulic fan temps. Thats right, SCT is adding capabilities basically just for me....:D

[dreamer1213]

Hmmm....no wonder...a 50/50 mixture is usually the minimum cooling mix you should use...70/30 for "higher performance" cooling is what the Prestone bottle said...but I think its 70% coolant, 30% water.

Ohhhh Ryan...calm down...LOL! I dunno if all that wire-snipping is for me...might just have to get a tune later on down the road... ;)

You're a lucky boy getting SCT to do that for you!

[scjeep4.7HO]

Oh. Wasn't aware of that, always referred to it as Graphite Metallic.

I have the fix. Come down to Daytona and I'll do it for you. Quit pussyfootin', Hannes. :lol::lol:

Latest updates....modified the coolant mix from 95% distilled water 5% coolant to about 75/25.....Runs cooler...

Also deleted the rear cowl gasket. Seems to help cooling at speed. Looks like my cooling issues are finally under control.

Looks like SCT will be adding additional tables to the DCX Advantage software so that I can modify my hydraulic fan temps. Thats right, SCT is adding capabilities basically just for me....:D


Dude hate to burst your bubble but I have BEEN talking to SCT about the hydraulic fan, and again on the coolant. Water is the coolin agent, Glycol is the agent that gives it the ANTI-FREEZE properties.

[NHWK05]

I used to work in a foundry and i would have to quench the 1010* parts in a 22% glycol to water mixture. The only reason for the glycol was to help reduce evaporation of the water when the hot parts go in to it. Water does the main cooling. The glycol does help disburse the heat more evenly as well.

[FlyinRyan]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but I have BEEN talking to SCT about the hydraulic fan, and again on the coolant. Water is the coolin agent, Glycol is the agent that gives it the ANTI-FREEZE properties.

We'll see what happens. I haven't heard anything from Sean just yet.

For whatever reason the almost all-water mix is practically boiling within the system. Maybe this could be fixed by a higher pressure cap but I'm just reporting my findings. The coolant , regardless, raises the boiling point and is working to my benefit.

I don't know how you manage to keep your jeep cool especially with the paxton in there.

[FlyinRyan]

I beta-tested the new tune with the hydraulic fan setting tables. SUCCESS!!!! My jeep now runs at 180 all the time now. :D

[dreamer1213]

That's awesome Ryan!!! Now it makes even more sense to get a SCT... ;)

[FlyinRyan]

Just purchased 2 Thunderbolt metallic cats. My ceramics are falling apart after about 6 months of hard use. Not Thunderbolt's fault, I meant to order the metallics to begin with. Will be installed this week....

[dreamer1213]

Congrats! I'm happy for ya!

[FlyinRyan]

Congrats! I'm happy for ya!

Congratulate me when I don't have rattling precats! Pray to the hot roddin' gods that this is the last exhaust mod I have to do for a long, long time.....

[scjeep4.7HO]

You know the exhaust gods like it when you wear a tu tu and pink ballet slippers and do a little dance in he rain.. LOL

[FlyinRyan]

You know the exhaust gods like it when you wear a tu tu and pink ballet slippers and do a little dance in he rain.. LOL


You gonna let me borrow yours then?

[scjeep4.7HO]

Might be a little loose on you but sure.... LOL

[FlyinRyan]

Might be a little loose on you but sure.... LOL

LOL

Appt for cat removal and replacement on Friday....I'll be looking forward to getting 16 mpg instead of 11 like I am now.

[dreamer1213]

LOL! I can imagine!

[FlyinRyan]

You asked for it, and now you recieve it....a video of the Sleepy 4.7...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xaJxn1xxOM

[Robert Palmer]

That sounds awesome! I like!

[dreamer1213]

Sounds amazing Ryan! :D

[Chaoul1]

Sounds nice!

[scjeep4.7HO]

Sorry I fell asleep- sleepy4.7... BAH DAH CHING lol. just kidding sounds good.

[HEMIBeast]

Dude that sounds sick!!

[B.P.O.D]

NICE!!!! the new cats are working:)

[Micallef]

damn man that sounds so beastly!

[FlyinRyan]

damn man that sounds so beastly!

Thanks, I'm very happy with my exhaust setup. I have since ceramic coated everything from the manifolds back in black VHT Flameproof. It looks excellent.

On Saturday, with the help of Hannes, we are installing a 2008 4.7 Intake Manifold that has been ported slightly along with the necessary adapter plates from Air Ram. It will be ceramic coated in VHT flame proof. It has also been shaved to remove excess plastic. For now, I will be running my FRP throttle body with it.

[DJ BoNiOmArIo]

that sounds amazing man

[dreamer1213]

Its gonna be amazing! 2 days and counting!

[FlyinRyan]

Hannes, I masked off the manifold for coating....should be doing it today. My adapters STILL haven't come! Starting to wonder if they will be here in time.

[WSP Jeep]

Wow sounds sick Ryan, nice Jeep!

[FlyinRyan]

Wow sounds sick Ryan, nice Jeep!

Thank you Matt, I get alot of compliments. It's sure not quiet! :lol:

[FlyinRyan]

Updated.

SCT tuning removed

This is likely temporary, as I just need the money right now...if I go down this road again, it will be a much nastier setup. Generally speaking, I've hit a brick wall with this current combo. It has the potential, but I don't have the $$$ to get the final pieces to finish the puzzle.

[FlyinRyan]

Just ordered some DEI cool tape. Got some tweaks to do.

[scjeep4.7HO]

Dude you aways take a step forward then sell all your shit and take 5 steps back...

[FlyinRyan]

Dude you aways take a step forward then sell all your shit and take 5 steps back...

I know, I know....I'm just going back to the drawing board on this one. I'm gonna make some changes in due time then revisit the tuning. right now, I'm stuck with this gutless launch until I do something drastic.

[FlyinRyan]

Making a bunch of small tweaks.

-insulated intake tube (Need to apply final layer)
-insulating upper & lower coolant hoses (Upper hose done, lower hose to do tomorrow)
-insulating fuel rails & crossover
-modifying the firewall for better clearance for the 08 Manifold throttle+cruise control bracket

I completed the upper hose mod tonight and I'm already seeing improved warm-up time- which is always nice. I have no way of measuring how hot it gets in that area of the engine bay, but my air filter currently sits next to my upper coolant hose and I know that MF'er radiates a ton of heat. Not anymore. As far as performance goes, time will tell- I suspect that the real gains will come at the track.

I was going to start insulating the fuel rails today, but it looks like for the material to adhere, I'm going to have to wipe them so they're clean- they still have alot of dirt and dust on them from when Hannes and I swapped the manifold.......

Pics to come soon.

[pinguino50]

You should insulate your engine too !!!!!!!! and keep it from moisture !!! LOL

Check this out: http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/products.htm
They just to be ignition solutions, they have the plasma booster available for the 4.7, but ouch, at 400 bucks.

[scjeep4.7HO]

You should insulate your engine too !!!!!!!! and keep it from moisture !!! LOL

Check this out: http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/products.htm
They just to be ignition solutions, they have the plasma booster available for the 4.7, but ouch, at 400 bucks.


UMMMM I don't see anything for the 4.7?

[pinguino50]

"Hello Frank,

Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in our products. And sorry for the late reply.
The Plasma Booster for 2000-2003 Dodge 4.7 V8 is available.
The part number is PD8402500S and the list price is $399.50.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

Akira Sato

OKADA PROJECTS U.S.A., Inc.
23891 Via Fabricante Suite 614
Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Tel: 949-583-7800
Fax: 949-583-7810 "

I was looking for those since 2005, but the original dealer became out of business or something; I know those products are very good for mustangs and bimmers.