Thoughts on chat

[nosmoke]

As most here thought, no change on pricing. Explanation was about costs of parts/suppliers charging more, and the low run production numbers.

I asked several questions that weren't answered, but overall, I have to give em credit for doing this.

It did make me want the car more, after the chat.

[Roger Mathias]

I thought there were going to be some of the question that everybody here keeps asking. But not nothing. I will keep hoping that I see it before I see SNOW.

[swing4terps]

I think it was highly diluted with a bunch of non-Jeep stuff most people on this forum probably don't care about.

[IRISH]

Tried posting questions, but they never went through. They whole thing was frustrating because of that

[QuickOne]

Tried posting questions, but they never went through. They whole thing was frustrating because of that
Can you say censorship? Thanks but that was pointless for the enthusiasts
We already knew most of what they said.


Sary fir typoos .....tuochscrwens Sock!

[Street]

I feel like they covered most of the questions, except they didn't want to answer anything about future plans... I asked about the 8" touch screen that the Jeep didn't get but they didn't even touch on that subject. I was kind of iffy about the format of it just being plain text back and forth but it actually turned out ok.

Overall it was helpful but I still find it a bit sad that we look at getting answers from an auto manufacturer as a special treat. The whole auto industry sucks if you ask me... we have to deal with uneducated car sales men that try to hassle us with premium prices and manufacturers that like to keep secrets and be super corporate and official. The whole industry could use some kind of new disruptive firm with a customer-focused culture and incredible customer service similar to what you get at zappos.com or new-age tech companies where you can simply pick up the phone and get a straight answer and all pricing is fair, equal and public to everyone.... but that's a discussion for another day.

I feel like mostly everything was answered... what other questions are there?

[Milous]

I feel like mostly everything was answered... what other questions are there?
They didn't address ANY of the 9 questions that were submitted to them by JG. The closest they came was about Canadian production quantities - of which they stated there would not be a limit.

They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early.

They totally skirted the issue on the price increase, pretty much blaming the increase on the new Brembo front brakes (the other "reasons" all applied to other SRT models that didn't get a huge increase). The first reply regarding pricing was "we are still 30 grand under are nearest real competitor."

Nothing about affiliate pricing.

Nothing about expanded color choices.

Nothing about production delays.

Very disappointing overall. The chat program was extremely slow. And you have to wonder what MORON programmer from "CoverItLive" was not smart enough to make the box to enter questions larger - it fit about one line of text and then had a scroll bar!! I can't believe how stupid software programmers, they all seem to lack common sense.

[Keyser]

Thanks to Scott and Milous for all the info on this site along with all the members who provide very pertinent info,I'm sorry to say that Chrysler is full of s'''t,all PR and our products are this and that and cost a lot of money,Blah! Blah!The new GC is a hit and they're cashing in now!The new srt8 is will sell in low numbers and the demand is there,basically they don't really care what enthusiasts from the WK1 series or moders or anybody that's familliar with past Jeep products have to say.That being said I'm still waiting on my idiotic dealer to let me know what's up with my order.

[moosehead]

I was surprised he bit a little at the notion of allowing computer entry for no warantee, but suppose it makes sense for Chryco.

None of my questions went through either, but were partly addressed in the price replies and above aftermarket efforts. I wasn't sure if users needed to register first or not, but the system did seem to take my submissions.

I appreciated the track technique discussion and his sense of humor as well. The "always in the mood" feature may be worth a premium.

[nosmoke]

They didn't address ANY of the 9 questions that were submitted to them by JG. The closest they came was about Canadian production quantities - of which they stated there would not be a limit.

They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early.

They totally skirted the issue on the price increase, pretty much blaming the increase on the new Brembo front brakes (the other "reasons" all applied to other SRT models that didn't get a huge increase). The first reply regarding pricing was "we are still 30 grand under are nearest real competitor."

Nothing about affiliate pricing.

Nothing about expanded color choices.

Nothing about production delays.

Very disappointing overall.

Yes, they were intentionally not answering some important questions, which was irritating.

While some have already done so on this forum, I have finally to come to terms that regardless of the reason, the price is what it is, and I just have to decide whether or not to get lubed up and pay the "greed" premium. I can get a fully loaded 2012 Hemi Overland for almost 15K less than my on-order SRT. For 15K, I could take my family on the vacation of a lifetime with change to spare.

[Squeak]

unable to join in but just read the entire chat. call me a sucker or an optimist but i believe them on pricing. IMO, and i'm not in production, but you don't pay for parts you pay for engineering and design. for example, when you deal in large quantities engineering a new hood is spread out over a huge number of vehicles, small numbers= less vehicles to spread them over therefore a higher price. Send your 2012 GC Overland w/V8 to Hennessey and ask him to put a body kit, big breaks, lighter rims and bigger tires, new interior and 80 hp and see what you pay. thanks Scott for putting it together. i'm a little closer to placing my order.

[Scottina06]

I have a bit of insight to add...but I am dead tired at the moment. 3 hours sleep today, baseball game and this chat. Then I get a call from ole Ralph himself.........

[IRISH]

No, I do not think it was censorship, I believe the question never made it through, my questions were simple.
1) Have they considered leveling suspension like the BMW/Cayenne for trailer towing
2) Will they offer a full sized spare tire
3) Will white be available
4) I would like a manual transmission in the Charger

[nosmoke]

then i get a call from ole ralph himself.........

you are going to tease us like that? :d

[nosmoke]

Will they offer a full sized spare tire -


Yes, with the tow package, and a mini spare with the non-tow.

[MikeH]

Beans. Spill 'em. :)

I have a bit of insight to add...but I am dead tired at the moment. 3 hours sleep today, baseball game and this chat. Then I get a call from ole Ralph himself.........

[Scottina06]

No, I do not think it was censorship, I believe the question never made it through, my questions were simple.
1) Have they considered leveling suspension like the BMW/Cayenne for trailer towing
2) Will they offer a full sized spare tire
3) Will white be available
4) I would like a manual transmission in the Charger


they answered 2 and 4.

2-a full size spare cant be opackaged in the rear of the SRT Jeep because of size.

4-they have some manual chargers in house...but the factory cant make them and the cost of tooling etc.

[MikeD]

First I want to say how awesome it was to have a chat hosted by Ralph Gilles and the SRT team.
Here are my thoughts: I found it interesting that they said that the WK2 was the fastest Jeep ever made then in the chat say it's who get's the pedal down first (against a WK1) that will win, although handling and braking is much improved which is good.
I do understand the pricing somewhat as smaller quantities make it hard for suppliers to make parts, but as other's said 15k over a loaded Overland? I really wish I would have never sold my WK1 SRT8 for my Overland as I refuse to pay 60k for another Jeep SRT8, especially after having to go to the dealer more in only 2800 miles in my '11 than I did in 4 1/2 years and 23k miles in my '06 SRT8. Thanks to JeepGarage.org for getting this started!!

[jgc4ever]

I gave up on the new Jeep SRT8 as soon as the price was released. I care more about my bank account than this vehicle.

[BostonDMD]

They answered my question about the comparo of the WK1 to the WK2.....


"6:50
Comment From BostonDMD
How does the WK1 SRT jeep compare to the WK2

6:50

SRT Engineer: The WK2 matches the straightline performance of the WK1, but stops faster and corners harder. With the new Selec-Track system the WK2 is more liveable for every day, but can also be set to full-attack TRACK mode to out-handle the WK1 on the track."


I rest my case.....:)

[bematare]

At least they had the "balls" to come out and talk to the community directly..

[Schleprock]

just got time to sit down and read the transcript after the long, delayed flight back from Miami.

I rest my case, particularly with the assistance of Milous's info in this thread. You're not getting an answer to the questions we asked.....and this chat was basically a way to appease and divert that request. I appreciate Ralph and his engineers time, but it's obvious they are not allowed to answer real questions that deserve real answers. To me, this chat seemed like a yellow book with the title "2012 SRTs for Dummies" Nothing provided makes me feel better, or more willing, to follow through with my WK2 Jeep order and pay the price they want. It's not an SUV (don't need one anyway), but CTS-V incentives will be revised and posted next Wednesday the 7th and I guarantee you I will be checking them. If they up the GM employee bonus cash I may actually be able to get a loaded V cheaper than the Jeep.

Their price point reply.......in it's entirety, pure BS. I don't disagree on the concepts he stated of higher priced parts, low volume, but it's no where near the need for the drastic price increase that has been imposed. They seem to act like the suspension on the SRT version is a full cost add on, when it's not, because if it were an Overland there would still be a cost to put a suspension in that vehicle!!!! I simply will not accept SRTs/Chryslers response on the price point unless I saw/see balance sheets first hand.

[lll2for3lll]

I think the only questions that went through were the questions they replied to. I think they were read first and then posted them. It was fixed.

[Schleprock]

I think the only questions that went through were the questions they replied to. I think they were read first and then posted them. It was fixed.
indeed, in fact, they actually said as much in the chat if you go back and look. Of course, they didn't say it was fixed, but they alluded at one point as to the volume of questions and how they were answering. In addition to many guys here stating none of their questions were answered, most definitely it was fixed, but hey...I figured as much last night.

I have a terrible feeling it's going to end up like a White House press briefing. Yeah, Pres. Obama is there to brief and answer questions, but in reality he and his aids aren't going to say or allow anything they don't want covered, because they are running the show.

P.S. rusty, I think you now know my answer to your question in this exchange.
http://www.jeepgarage.org/showpost.php?p=475799&postcount=86

P.S.S. I also stand even more firm on my reply of there being absolutely NO SRT loyalty rebate after this chat ;)

[Milous]

...call me a sucker or an optimist but i believe them on pricing. IMO, and i'm not in production, but you don't pay for parts you pay for engineering and design. for example, when you deal in large quantities engineering a new hood is spread out over a huge number of vehicles, small numbers= less vehicles to spread them over therefore a higher price.
So how do you explain pricing for the first generation which was right in line with the Overland and other SRT vehicles?

How do you explain pricing for the other 2012 SRT vehicles, they are produced in low volumes as well. And for the Jeep they are building 25% more 2012 models than they averaged for prior years.


Send your 2012 GC Overland w/V8 to Hennessey and ask him to put a body kit, big breaks, lighter rims and bigger tires, new interior and 80 hp and see what you pay. thanks Scott for putting it together. i'm a little closer to placing my order.
You can't compare the costs of a extremely low-volume vastly overpriced Hennessey "upgrade" to that of a Grand Cherokee that's being built by the thousands.

[Milous]

At least they had the "balls" to come out and talk to the community directly..
It didn't take any balls at all, they all but ignored the concerns of the Jeep community. It was just like all of the other chat sessions over the years. It was supposed to be a chat for the Jeep community to discuss the issues surrounding the new model. Instead, we were totally blown off, which means one thing - they don't care about us.

[12Jeep]

They didn't address ANY of the 9 questions that were submitted to them by JG. The closest they came was about Canadian production quantities - of which they stated there would not be a limit.

They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early.

They totally skirted the issue on the price increase, pretty much blaming the increase on the new Brembo front brakes (the other "reasons" all applied to other SRT models that didn't get a huge increase). The first reply regarding pricing was "we are still 30 grand under are nearest real competitor."

Nothing about affiliate pricing.

Nothing about expanded color choices.

Nothing about production delays.

Very disappointing overall. The chat program was extremely slow. And you have to wonder what MORON programmer from "CoverItLive" was not smart enough to make the box to enter questions larger - it fit about one line of text and then had a scroll bar!! I can't believe how stupid software programmers, they all seem to lack common sense.

Completely agree. Really wanted to see them address the following two topics (although we will know the answer as soon as the first retail vehicles are delivered)

"They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early."
"Nothing about affiliate pricing"

Was very interested to see if they would commit to a timeline for shipments
Nothing about production delays.

I am glad that they held the session, some interesting comments but unfortunately they didn't answer the questions that are most important to me at this point in time.

[hound]

Ok, I just read the entire chat. I was a bit put off in the beginning by the SRT side of the house. Seems like there were quite a bit of smart ass remarks made to honest questions being asked. Towards the end, answers got more specific and to the point.

I still do not fully believe their explanations on the GC price hikes. We all understand that yes, some of the parts are going to be more expensive, but do they take us for idiots? They point out the FRONT brembo's are more expensive. Ok, we have all looked at the Brembo kits and one will cost you around $3K for a front kit. That is a retail price though, not actual cost to Chrysler. What else is there in the GC that isn't in the other SRT's? Why so much for the HK stereo? Other MFG offer the HK stereo and none of them are a $2K option...why now for the GC only?

I thought Ralph's comments on the wheels was funny. Seems he likes them, the SRT Engineers hate them. Who won that argument? Seems he should have gone with the Engineers opinion. :)

I am going to try and find more work overseas for another 2 years and see how this plays out.

[Milous]

Why so much for the HK stereo?
The HK stereo is included as Standard on the new Charger SRT8.


They point out the FRONT brembo's are more expensive. Ok, we have all looked at the Brembo kits and one will cost you around $3K for a front kit. That is a retail price though, not actual cost to Chrysler.
And remember that you would just be looking at the difference in cost between 4-piston Brembo's and the 6-piston upgrade. At the factory level probably just a few hundred $$.


"The price went up on the Luxury Group which includes the leather IP and several other features which we were forced to make standard."

?? This doesn't make sense. The price went up (why??) and they were forced to make it standard (Why?). The price never increased for the Overland Advance Warning/Adaptive Cruise/Leather.

[Milous]

"As we use more and more exotic componentry our prices naturally creep closer to our import competitors."

Again, the other SRT models are also using much of the same "componentry". Plus, the Charger and 300 both have the new 8.4" nav radio with premium features. And none of the other models have forced $7,000 option packages.

WHY are they comparing the prices to "import competitors" instead of comparing them to the other SRT models???

The price of the SRT WK2 didn't just "naturally creep closer", it made a GIANT leap!

[jp467]

The pricing question is very simple. If they can sell the amout of SRT's they want at the price they are asking then the price is correct. The market sets the price for everything. If this was priced near an Overland than the demand would be near an Overland. They only are trying to sell around 3000 units which is nothing. The market will always decide if the price is too high. Based on what I see it doesn't look like they are going to have a problem meeting the target they have set. The price of any product has very little to do with what it costs to make, so talking about what it costs to make doesn't mean anything. Its what the market value is and this goes for anything from shoes to houses to cars.

[Milous]

The price of any product has very little to do with what it costs to make, so talking about what it costs to make doesn't mean anything.
Regardless of supply and demand, there are still companies out there who will not take advantage of their customers when selling popular products.

[Milous]

On a positive note, I have always been appreciative of the chat sessions that have taken place over the years. They have given us an awful lot of valuable information and insight into the development and operation of our vehicles. Along the way they have listened to the community and implemented some of our suggestions and ideas into SRT vehicles. I hope they continue for many years to come.

I have rarely if ever been critical of these sessions, but as I already mentioned I wish the recent one would have been dedicated to the Jeep. They should have opened with the price issue, discussed it briefly but thoroughly, allowed for a few more related replies/questions, and then moved on to discuss the endless other topic areas covering features, handling, performance etc. of the new Jeep as well as allowing discussion on the first gen models.

As it was, at one point they mentioned having almost 900 people logged in. Only a small number of participants got their questions answered. Had this been a Jeep-only discussion as originally intended/implied then it would have not been "over capacity". The chat program was extremely slow for whatever reasons, 10 engineers online and the text hardly moved. Only about 20 replies were posted the first half hour.

I think I like the message board based sessions much better, they are easier to follow and participate in, you see all the questions, larger screen area etc. I'll never understand why the people who design these chat screens have to make them so small. If nothing else at least offer the ability to enlarge the window up to full-screen size.

[bematare]

Regardless of supply and demand, there are still companies out there who will not take advantage of their customers when selling popular products.

So is the story of but a handful of companies.. at least that I know..

It sucks that it works out this way, but there is really nothing to do other than boycott and retract all orders for the JC SRT8.. which won't ever happen..



:slapfight:

[MXHAULER]

I asked direct question about current weekly production volume - Not answered - Closest response was "Soon" - Even put it in the comments right below the Chat for all to see and it was still avoided

Overall, it was like listening to Politicians with no direct answers on the real issues around forced opton packages and availability timing
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[pantheman75]

I asked several questions about the Grand Cherokee SRT8 pricing which were all ignored. I asked my last question out of frustration because they were ignoring the pricing issue, and surprisingly, Ralph addressed it:

7:25
Comment From pantheman75
So are you going to address the elephant in the room... the pricing of the Grand Cherokee SRT8?

7:26
Ralph Gilles: Grand Cherokee pricing has been sensitive. We understand. This vehicle reflects the cost of some exotic hardware like active suspension, a sweet aluminum hood, real carbon parts and a set of very expensive monoblock 6 piston calipers. The reality is low volume is getting harder to do...the prices from our suppliers are higher than in the past. As we use more and more exotic componentry our prices naturally creep closer to our import competitors. That said we are still 30k-40k less then the BMW X5 and nearly 50k-70k less then the Porsche. The Grand SRT8 is currently being ordered fully optioned out by 80% of the dealers and first set of customerso far. It is already tough to build the SRT8 along side the normal Grand out of the plant. So we get hit with a lot of low volume management cost. The price went up on the Luxury Group which includes the leather IP and several other features which we were forced to make standard. We will look at decoupling some of the features in the future as the usual new product surge subsides. (We will start with immediately decoupling the DVD and sunroof)

[rusty104]

As far as pricing goes I think Ralph said it in an earlier interview - "it's going to be lucrative." The higher up the food chain you go the more "lucrative." Whether going from an "S" Porsche to a turbo or a base Laredo to a Summit it happens. Does anyone really think the Summit with the same technology as the Laredo costs 40% more to make??? I think the big problem that I have with the price is that it was 1. unexpected, 2. a HUGE jump over the WK and 3. Went up even more before the first one got to a dealer.
In thinking about it, the WK was probably a screaming good deal and those who bought one did well. If we didn't have that one to compare to or think that the price was going to be about the same as a dressed up Laredo then maybe I wouln't have been so suprised or upset.

[moosehead]

The peak listener tally looked to be about 1037 people at 730pm ECT, the chat started with rougly 750 people. These were figures shown on the web log list.

[JDM12]

I read a quote from bob lutz recently where he explained that the chevy Malibu costs within a few hundred dollars to make as a BMW 3series. The perception of quality is what allows the BMW to cost twice as much.

Chrysler/Jeep/SRT is a member of one of the most competitive industries on the planet. They have an obligation to sell their product for the highest possible price, their very careers depend on it. If there is an opportunity to increase profit they would be idiots not to jump on it.

With the constant rise and fall of auto companies, their last concern is hurting the feelings of potential SRT buyers over some price inflation. For every one person who feels entitled to a "fair" price, there are five people willing to pay more with a smile on their face.

I'm not trying to sound harsh, because I am nowhere close to being able to afford the vehicles I would like to own, but maybe that's why I'm looking at this from the outside completely baffled as to why there is confusion on the vehicles price tag.

[Jeeps]

I was actually surprised that lots of my questions were answered (Guest) since I didn't put my name they probably thought the questions were from different people, lol.
Big one that didn't get answered is Affiliate Pricing but they probably wanted to keep the discussion more on the engineering side. I was surprised that I will be getting a full size 18" spare since I'm getting the tow package. Maybe I should get 3 more and use it as my winter setup (4 black steelies)! Also the odd size 20" tires are going to be fun to find replacements for. Weird they used run-flats if they are including a spare.

[barho]

Everyone saying they understand the fact that costs increase due to the lower production numbers, how do you explain the fact that the WK1 SRT had LOWER production numbers than what is proposed for the WK2 SRT and the cost of one was LOWER than the WK1 Overland?!

More BS from Gilles and his team.

[JDM12]

Step 1. Make a bad a** vehicle.
Step 2. Sell it for the highest price you possibly can.
Step 3. Bend the truth to pacify the individuals that don't understand step 2.

[Scottina06]

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[moosehead]

^they'll be able to afford to upgrade that boardroom now

[soontobesrt]

hmm, I liked the chat, great way to build customer relationships and give us the inside scoop. Did find it somewhat cheesy though, they definitely didn't answer a ton of questions as I know there must have been thousands submitted and I read through that whole thing in like 10 minutes haha. Anyway props to Ralph (if it was really him??? hmm)

Gotta love SRT for doing it and trying to be committed to the community. Def a step they need to take to be successful in business. Props to them for that.

Anyway regarding pricing, they def just gave us the run around. Although I too blamed increased costs for the hike in MSRP and Ralph agreed, Im not buying that. Def a brand improvement tax on there just to make more $ which is fine, up to them as a business.

And regarding locked PCMS - totally makes sense why its locked, warranty fraud prob costed them a bunch and there are certainly some shade-tree tuners and other people out there who will blow a motor up for a few bucks. So again, I get the PCM thing.

BEST SUGGESTION TO FIX IT: Someone said we could pay small $1k fee for key to unlock it. And voids warranty so whatever happens from there is on us - I like that! This way it could be tuned and only those who are knowledgeable and responsible would have an engine that works :) Makes sense.

As far as WK2 vs. WK1 performance they said they'd put $ on both being equal although the WK2 out stops and handle the WK1 according to them. All in all ID say for less $ you can get a WK1, mod it up to be faster in a line and on the twisty. Although you wont have the nice interior and some other doo dads. In reality a a WK1 SRT is a better overall value to me, but the WK2 is certainly no slouch. Waiting to see how much prices fall on these in the coming months/year

[Scottina06]

I agree with Milous that this shouldve been a Jeep only chat. I think when we sent the questions and offered the chat on our forums....SRT accepted and then they realized they could include the other SRt models and kill 4 birds with one stone.

[SRTILL8]

I agree with Milous that this shouldve been a Jeep only chat. I think when we sent the questions and offered the chat on our forums....SRT accepted and then they realized they could include the other SRt models and kill 4 birds with one stone.


no pun- but seems to most of us, that this all theyve set out to do for the "jeep"SRT8.


i looked thru the log and didnt really find anything out that wasnt force-fed to us already a handful of times. i mean its still nice to have the chat but i knew it wouldnt be "Jeep SRT8 specific" as soon as i saw it on all the other SRT forums. immediately i thought.... hmmm this isnt for us, just think about how many SRT8 owners are out there that arent JEEP SRT8 owners.

outnumbered from the get-go. still nice to see, and still want to drive one and still want someone to depreciate it for me first ;);)

:sleepy:

[Schleprock]

Re-read the chat again this morning, along with what you all have posted as thoughts, to gather a second "next day" opinion. Must say, I am now much more disappointed in how this went, and the taste in my mouth with this whole ordeal (ordering, pricing, buying) is worse. I can't help but feel this whole attitude of "SRT Community" is a sham.

[IRISH]

they answered 2 and 4.

2-a full size spare cant be opackaged in the rear of the SRT Jeep because of size.

4-they have some manual chargers in house...but the factory cant make them and the cost of tooling etc.

What was the time they answered #2, and #4 was to respond to their question regarding if anyone wanted a manual.

[Scottina06]

settle down guys...I know we didnt get some answers that we wanted...but I am working on something right now with SRT. I should know more the next couple days/weeks.

[Scottina06]

What was the time they answered #2, and #4 was to respond to their question regarding if anyone wanted a manual.


I posted a copy and paste of the chat in the SRT8 wk2 forums done by MikeH. I saw it there.

[QuickOne]

Like I said before. Thanks. But no thanks. That was wasted time for those who read everything about the SRT8.
This version is just a skipped progression on the WK. The 2012 should have stuck with The bigger motor tried to lighten the weight and keep the price increase modest. If it was a good bit faster like the 2010 chally vs the new 392 chally everyone for the most part would be complacent. Regardless of other expensive options. Then in 2013 add an option for all the extra options and increase that price to where it is now. Then in 2014 come out with the supercharged with upgraded everything for the $75k. The gradual price increase would have been easy to accept than the drastic jump we have now because there is an obvious progression in performance and options/upgrades.

Sary fir typoos .....tuochscrwens Sock!

[Gunnr]

[QUOTE=Street;477243]
"I asked about the 8" touch screen that the Jeep didn't get but they didn't even touch on that subject."

This subject was not touched on at all, what was there thinking for putting it in a few vehicles and not in others. Has anyone been able to see and play around with the new 8" screen in the 300 or charger? If so is it as nice as it looks in the pictures? This is a big factor in waiting to get the mid year refresh.

Thanks for everyones help and input!!:thumbsup:

[Scottina06]

they dont discuss future products at all in any chats. Thats a main rule of all chats. I do know the infrastructure of the CURRENT WK2's dash does NOT allow for the 8.4" touchscreen to even be an option. The dash was no built for that Nav. Hopefully we will get it at the mid-cycle refresh.

[BostonDMD]

Guys, guys, guys.......
I don't recall porsche offering a chat when I bought my $76K cayenne s....
why is everyone getting bent out of shape if they didn't get the answer they wanted to hear?
cryco is in to make a profit on these, is that a surprise to anyone?
at least they did offer a chat, unlike porsche bmw mercedes land rover audi etc.

[12Jeep]

[QUOTE=Street;477243]
"I asked about the 8" touch screen that the Jeep didn't get but they didn't even touch on that subject."

This subject was not touched on at all, what was there thinking for putting it in a few vehicles and not in others. Has anyone been able to see and play around with the new 8" screen in the 300 or charger? If so is it as nice as it looks in the pictures? This is a big factor in waiting to get the mid year refresh.

Thanks for everyones help and input!!:thumbsup:

Have seen the 8 inch touch screen. Looks good, but I understand why it isn't in the SRT8 yet. The WK2 is the starting point and if the internal wiring / dash and other components aren't in place to accomodate it in the W2K line (Laredo, Limited, Overland) then I wouldn't expect the SRT to have it.

[RECDOG]

I eneterd the question..." why is there such a delay in the production,,what happened that put such a halt on it"???

I entered that about 150 times.

and im sure some of you guys put the same question in ...closest thing was ...."soon" :/

[hound]

I have played with the new 8" nav in the new Charger. It is really cool. You can do everything from it and the display looked great. It is a must have!!

As for the whole PCM issues, why the hell has Chrysler dropped support for Mopar Performance? It seems like Chrysler doesn't get it at all. We are not asking for them to just release the code and let any dick off the street slap some tune together. All we want is some aftermarket tune, albeit via Mopar or others. If I am not mistaken, Ford and Chevy work with aftermarket tuners to develop aftermarket programmers. If Chrysler is so damn worried about warranty claims and won't release the codes, then at least do the damn thing in house where you can maintain control. When I had my 5.9L, most of the Mopar Performance parts were the best on the market. I had the Mopar Performance ECU which improved performance and adapted to (within limits) to bolt-on's. Chrysler needs to get with the program!!!!

[mlarco52]

I asked right when the chat started when orders for Canada and US dealers would be filled? What is the delay in production (don't have to give specifics but give us something)? Why have we not seen any of the new WK2 SRT's at dealers yet when ordering opened 3 months ago? Any news on shipping to Canadian markets?

I even said in one of the question, I accept the price is the price and I'm willing to buy it here in Canada ( I ordered mine 3 months ago) but where is my truck? Can we get some sort of schedule please?.........no answer again lol

None of these were addressed...fml

[QuickOne]

I think this question has been asked 100 times on here:
7:22
Comment From Guest
Why 5000 lbs towing on SRT vs 7000 lbs on Hemi GC?

7:23

SRT Engineer 8: The extra power of the 6.4L makes it possible to really put the hurt on the drivetrain over the life of the vehicle. It would tolerate it for a while, but the trans was selected for more for performance (light weight, low first gear, fast shifts, higher rpm limit) over trailer tow.

This same thing holds true on WK1SRT8. It's not the one time or two times you need to tow something heavy.
The ratings used are there to protect from people who constantly tow and are abusive about it.
Nice to know you can tow 7500 lbs if you are smart about it. It's not a safety issue, its a wear and tear issue.

Funny part about the wheels:
Ralph Gilles: Ouch....we (ok PDO) love that wheel..our wheel supplier hatse machining it. I hate cleaing it. Interesting love hate reaction...oh well. The old rear wheel does fit all the way around..again the old one. We'll look at optional wheels but it won't be till next spring most likely. Funny the SRT engineers don't like them either.

I don't mind them, but cleaning them has got to be a pain in the balls. And the damn guys who designed the Jeep don't like the wheels...Then who the hell signed off on that? RALPH? IS THAT YOU?

[moosehead]

I have a bit of insight to add...but I am dead tired at the moment. 3 hours sleep today, baseball game and this chat. Then I get a call from ole Ralph himself.........

Bueller, Bueller?

I gave up on the new Jeep SRT8 as soon as the price was released. I care more about my bank account than this vehicle.

+1 this is a common response amongst many existing and potential JGC SRT8 customers. Jeep is betting on incredibly loyal enthusiasts, new customers, and limited production.


They answered my question about the comparo of the WK1 to the WK2.....

Maybe for you, but I can completely understand those who expected the 2012 SRT8 JGC to put down faster 1/4 miles out of the box, stock, as-is. Frankly, this should happen.


I think the only questions that went through were the questions they replied to. I think they were read first and then posted them. It was fixed.

+1, not surprised really.


...Thanks. But no thanks....This version is just a skipped progression on the WK. The 2012 should have stuck with The bigger motor tried to lighten the weight and keep the price increase modest. If it was a good bit faster like the 2010 chally vs the new 392 chally everyone for the most part would be complacent. Regardless of other expensive options. Then in 2013 add an option for all the extra options and increase that price to where it is now. Then in 2014 come out with the supercharged with upgraded everything for the $75k. The gradual price increase would have been easy to accept than the drastic jump we have now because there is an obvious progression in performance and options/upgrades.

Could not agree more. In fact, I am a prototypical new customer for this vehicle. I love the WK2 and it's my first American rig in 30 years. The SRT8 was so close I could taste it, but alas not now.


Guys, guys, guys.......
I don't recall porsche offering a chat when I bought my $76K cayenne s....
why is everyone getting bent out of shape if they didn't get the answer they wanted to hear?
cryco is in to make a profit on these, is that a surprise to anyone?
at least they did offer a chat, unlike porsche bmw mercedes land rover audi etc.

Sorry, never needed, expected, or wanted a chat from Porsche, Audi, Benz, or Rover. Their vehicles are expensive, and generally, people think they are worth it in premium performance, quality of materials, and high service.


Note: No offense meant to those who will buy and enjoy this vehicle. Really, just having candid conversation, no hate whatsoever. I think SRT8 and/or Jeep just missed on a few areas here that have been covered extensively by JG and other sites.

FWIW, this just makes the WK1 SRT8 that much more legendary and appealing. Gilles said as much on the exhaust topic.

[pantheman75]

I think this question has been asked 100 times on here:


This same thing holds true on WK1SRT8. It's not the one time or two times you need to tow something heavy.
The ratings used are there to protect from people who constantly tow and are abusive about it.
Nice to know you can tow 7500 lbs if you are smart about it. It's not a safety issue, its a wear and tear issue.

Funny part about the wheels:

I don't mind them, but cleaning them has got to be a pain in the balls. And the damn guys who designed the Jeep don't like the wheels...Then who the hell signed off on that? RALPH? IS THAT YOU?

Yet another reason to not buy now.

[mlarco52]

Not all companies have the best quality, its alot about the premium your paying with Rover and such for the name, had a CLS500 in the family with LOTS of problems, along with other Mercedes, had a Rover in the family with lots of problems also. Neighbor had a Rover Supercharged that spend almost 6 months in the dealer because it had reoccuring problems. So there not that much more superior in alot of cases those vehicles are having more issues than Jeep and such.

When your out of warranty also on those vehicles your out of luck also, be prepared to pay thousands to replace parts or fix the vehicle, 10x more than what you will pay for a Jeep.

[Milous]

cryco is in to make a profit on these, is that a surprise to anyone?
Not a surprise at all, it's the unexpected MASSIVE price increases that got everyone's "attention".

Many, many decades ago, when I was in high school, my father told me that I should study to become "a doctor, lawyer or airline pilot". Well that never happened... what I failed to realize is what he was really telling me was "son, if you want to be able to afford a yacht or a Jeep SRT8 vehicle when you are my age or older, you're going to have to pick one of those occupations".

[Jeeps]

Thing is these "halo" vehicles are NOT supposed to make money. The thousands of GC models sold make the profit while the SRT is supposed to draw people in. Looks like things changed now since its a separate brand.

[Yaccster]

I asked right when the chat started when orders for Canada and US dealers would be filled? What is the delay in production (don't have to give specifics but give us something)? Why have we not seen any of the new WK2 SRT's at dealers yet when ordering opened 3 months ago? Any news on shipping to Canadian markets?

I even said in one of the question, I accept the price is the price and I'm willing to buy it here in Canada ( I ordered mine 3 months ago) but where is my truck? Can we get some sort of schedule please?.........no answer again lol

None of these were addressed...fml

I think there is a graph in here that explains it:

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Just kidding!

[Yaccster]

So how do you explain pricing for the first generation which was right in line with the Overland and other SRT vehicles?

How do you explain pricing for the other 2012 SRT vehicles, they are produced in low volumes as well. And for the Jeep they are building 25% more 2012 models than they averaged for prior years.



You can't compare the costs of a extremely low-volume vastly overpriced Hennessey "upgrade" to that of a Grand Cherokee that's being built by the thousands.



My guess is that once these things start shipping there will be replacement parts available in the parts system. Those parts will have prices on them and some interested individual who has access to those could, in theory, put together a very telling portrait of whether the unique parts on the '12 JGC SRT/8 add up or not to the final pricing.

I'm also eager to see the residuals, guessing those will be available soon as well.

[Scottina06]

IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k. Thats just my opinion and the gen 1 owners Im sure will hate that and compare values. Well....IMO the wk2 SRT is a much better value. For example....last week I drove a 11000 mile 2009 Jeep SRT at my local dealer......the thing rattled, the fit and finish was bad(misaligned body parts) and the interior...my lord??!!!! And Im not trying to put the wk1 SRT down...as my Jeep does the same things. So I also drove a 27k mile wk2 Limited. It STILL felt NEW! No rattles, fit and finish was perfect...interior was night and day better. So IMO...chryCo missed the pricing point on these by about $5k.

I can also add this.....Ralph was not joking about the price of the SRT's hood. My company makes the aluminum for that hood and is a totally different alloy from the nonSRT wk2 hood. The SRt hood uses the Novelis Fusion technology(technonlogy that fuses two different alloys of cast aluminum into one sheet) and is probably 5x the cost on my companies end to manufacture. Its a high end process that is on the cutting edge of aluminum processes. We only have one Fusion casting pit in the company in Oswego, NY. So...no BS there.

[edogg23]

Since Chrysler seems to keep straying away more and more toward luxury and less toward performance, I think they should consider offering some stripped down models.

For example with the Mitsubishi Evo they made track models called the RS that weighed less and was stripped of all luxury options. Why not make a track version that costs 15k - 20k less and make everyone happy?

[rusty104]

Not a surprise at all, it's the unexpected MASSIVE price increases that got everyone's "attention".

Many, many decades ago, when I was in high school, my father told me that I should study to become "a doctor, lawyer or airline pilot". Well that never happened... what I failed to realize is what he was really telling me was "son, if you want to be able to afford a yacht or a Jeep SRT8 vehicle when you are my age or older, you're going to have to pick one of those occupations".

Maybe, if you had become one of those you but you wouldn't be revered as you are here!:D

[NHman]

IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k.

Scott, I would agree. This would represent a reasonable premium over the Overland Summit. I wouldn't expect a vehicle with this build quality and content to be priced in the $40's but $60k range is a stretch.

If they do sell most of the production units without pricing support, well from a manufacturers standpoint, goal accomplished. Perhaps this will draw in a new customer base that otherwise would've purchased a Euro model. Time will tell.

Not taken into consideration the cost, I would rather have a SRT8 model. However the sad reality of it costing (MSRP) $16k more than my Overland w/ Hemi, I'll pass.





Regards,
NHman

[NHman]

Since Chrysler seems to keep straying away more and more toward luxury and less toward performance, I think they should consider offering some stripped down models.

For example with the Mitsubishi Evo they made track models called the RS that weighed less and was stripped of all luxury options. Why not make a track version that costs 15k - 20k less and make everyone happy?

I would think it is due to overall customer expectations in a SUV w/ high-level of performance. While the JGC SRT8 could be used on a track, it is far from ideal vs. the Evo (or other track oriented vehicles). My guess is that a "stripper" JGC SRT8 would not sell.




Regards,
NHman

[QuickOne]

IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k. Thats just my opinion and the gen 1 owners Im sure will hate that and compare values. Well....IMO the wk2 SRT is a much better value. For example....last week I drove a 11000 mile 2009 Jeep SRT at my local dealer......the thing rattled, the fit and finish was bad(misaligned body parts) and the interior...my lord??!!!! And Im not trying to put the wk1 SRT down...as my Jeep does the same things. So I also drove a 27k mile wk2 Limited. It STILL felt NEW! No rattles, fit and finish was perfect...interior was night and day better. So IMO...chryCo missed the pricing point on these by about $5k.

I can also add this.....Ralph was not joking about the price of the SRT's hood. My company makes the aluminum for that hood and is a totally different alloy from the nonSRT wk2 hood. The SRt hood uses the Novelis Fusion technology(technonlogy that fuses two different alloys of cast aluminum into one sheet) and is probably 5x the cost on my companies end to manufacture. Its a high end process that is on the cutting edge of aluminum processes. We only have one Fusion casting pit in the company in Oswego, NY. So...no BS there.

Scott. I agree that $55K was the right price point. Scratch the special Novelis Fusion hood for a black Ops Carbon Fiber and call it a day. :D

I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.





(FLAME SUIT ON) :slapfight:

[Scottina06]

^^^^I agree with ya Brian!

[NHman]

I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.



There's is nothing available at that price range (or lower). The question is do you feel comfortable spending $65k on a Jeep. For the moment, I just can't get there. I would rather sacrifice performance and save a substantial amount of capital and go with an Overland.

An alternative is to pickup a 2-year old X5M or Cayenne. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.





Regards,
NHman

[Milous]

"We will look at decoupling some of the features in the future as the usual new product surge subsides. (We will start with immediately decoupling the DVD and sunroof)." - RG

Well I hope they have pre-warned the dealers - once word gets out that you no longer have to purchase the rear DVD system with the sunroof, customers will be lining up at the doors and phones will be ringing off the hook!

[NHman]

Well I hope they have pre-warned the dealers - once word gets out that you no longer have to purchase the rear DVD system with the sunroof, customers will be lining up at the doors and phones will be ringing off the hook!


Plus the first 100 customer orders will receive a free Keurig coffee system....

[QuickOne]

There's is nothing available at that price range (or lower). The question is do you feel comfortable spending $65k on a Jeep. For the moment, I just can't get there. I would rather sacrifice performance and save a substantial amount of capital and go with an Overland.

An alternative is to pickup a 2-year old X5M or Cayenne. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.

Regards,
NHman

You can't compare new vs used. I'm sorry, but it's used. And most likely it was not "used" the way I would want it used. I want to know every ding, paint chip or beat down session that ever happens to the vehicle.
I would never spend $65K on a Jeep at this point in time. If they upgrade the service, prove the initial build quality lasts and upgrade the Nav and tranny, then I will most likely invest in an SRT8.
However, I do think you will be driving in these Jeeps for around $55K - $57K in due time ...IE Buying at dealer invoice and then a $4,000 rebate from Chrysler.
I had gotten a $6,000 rebate on mine.. Sickening enought, $55K is alot easier to handle/justify than $65K, IMO

Just to put other cars into perspective:
The F-150 Lariat is $53K MSRP. A F-150 over $50K!!!
Mustangs GTs are at 48K :eek: I would expect to pay 17K more than a Mustang for something as fast, tows, hauls 3 car seats and gear and I can drive in the winter.

[NewSRT-8]

I'm still new to the site I have to applaud milous, scottina for having such a great forum!!! Im 22 had two cars and joined two car forums and this will be my third car and third car forum to join and by far this is the best site! Everyone knows a lot about jeeps and are very helpful. But besides this I read the chat and I thought a lot of people kept asking questions about past year SRT-8s and even though I don't have a problem with it, every time those question are asked it takes that much time up from the two hours where another question about the 2012 srt-8s could've been asked. Just something to consider for the next chat. Thanks guys love jeep garage!!!!!

[Scottina06]

theres another JEEPGARAGE Exclusive CHAT coming soon!

[NHman]

You can't compare new vs used. I'm sorry, but it's used. And most likely it was not "used" the way I would want it used. I want to know every ding, paint chip or beat down session that ever happens to the vehicle.
I would never spend $65K on a Jeep at this point in time. If they upgrade the service, prove the initial build quality lasts and upgrade the Nav and tranny, then I will most likely invest in an SRT8.
However, I do think you will be driving in these Jeeps for around $55K - $57K in due time ...IE Buying at dealer invoice and then a $4,000 rebate from Chrysler.
I had gotten a $6,000 rebate on mine.. Sickening enought, $55K is alot easier to handle/justify than $65K, IMO

Just to put other cars into perspective:
The F-150 Lariat is $53K MSRP. A F-150 over $50K!!!
Mustangs GTs are at 48K :eek: I would expect to pay 17K more than a Mustang for something as fast, tows, hauls 3 car seats and gear and I can drive in the winter.


That's is the heart of the issue, spending $63-65k for a Jeep. Time will tell if Chryco is correct with their pricing strategy. For that we need to wait 6-8 months to see if the SRT8's are turning. I believe the initial orders will be from those wanting this type of vehicle regardless of cost. It is a valid point, what other vehicles offer this type of performance yet can be used as a all-weather family hauler and tow vehicle in this price range, none.

In terms of new vs. used, while I prefer new as well, buying a 2-year old vehicle is a better business decision. Simple fact of the largest depreciation of the first 2-years. Those who want a Porsche, it is simply a possible route to ownership. If the maintenance records are available and the overall condition is like new I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.

I don't see how is it possible to spend $48k for a Mustang GT. The Boss edition is priced around $44k (before dealer availability fee). With limited production and a known market for muscle cars most of these are likely purchased by collectors. A GT vert has an MSRP around $38k. Inexpensive for a performance convertible. I don't know about pick-up trucks so I'll plead ignorance on the F150 but if it is over $50k someone must be buying them or perhaps custom orders only.

I can make a parallel to the current version BMW M3. The price went up significantly from the previous generation. A lot of people were upset to see such an increase despite the fact it offered better overall performance. Thus the amount sold vs. the previous generation has been less. An M3 vert with most options has an MSRP of $85k. While being a fan of BMW's, I wouldn't pay that amount, I just don't see the overall value. However I could easily make the case for the sedan version at $58-$65k. How many vehicles offer that level of performance but can be used as a family car. There are a few but not many.

As I have stated before, vote with your $$$. I don't see Chryco changing the pricing model to give us a $55k JGC SRT8 with most options. Let's see if rebates are offered to bridge the gap.




Regards,
NHman

[QuickOne]

In terms of new vs. used, while I prefer new as well, buying a 2-year old vehicle is a better business decision. Simple fact of the largest depreciation of the first 2-years. Those who want a Porsche, it is simply a possible route to ownership. If the maintenance records are available and the overall condition is like new I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one. I bought my new 2010 in Nov. of 2009 for 41K. I was offered $35K 2 weeks ago.. Not much of a depreciation, but obviously I had an end of life vehicle that was heavily rebated to clear out.
I'm one of 252 Silver 2010 SRT8's made. Maybe that's why I won't lose much on depreciation.

I don't see how is it possible to spend $48k for a Mustang GT. The Boss edition is priced around $44k (before dealer availability fee). With limited production and a known market for muscle cars most of these are likely purchased by collectors. A GT vert has an MSRP around $38k. Inexpensive for a performance convertible. I don't know about pick-up trucks so I'll plead ignorance on the F150 but if it is over $50k someone must be buying them or perhaps custom orders only.
Go to Ford.com and build yours out with all the options. The prices I put up were taken directly from the Build your own section. $48k for a mustang GT is real. I didn't even touch on the Boss or the GT500.

I can make a parallel to the current version BMW M3. The price went up significantly from the previous generation. A lot of people were upset to see such an increase despite the fact it offered better overall performance. Thus the amount sold vs. the previous generation has been less. An M3 vert with most options has an MSRP of $85k. While being a fan of BMW's, I wouldn't pay that amount, I just don't see the overall value. However I could easily make the case for the sedan version at $58-$65k. How many vehicles offer that level of performance but can be used as a family car. There are a few but not many.

As I have stated before, vote with your $$$. I don't see Chryco changing the pricing model to give us a $55k JGC SRT8 with most options. Let's see if rebates are offered to bridge the gap.
Regards,
NHman
It's a tough pill to swallow regardless of brand. I'm sure the people who paid $10K over MSRP when the 2006 came out said there's no way there will be a $6,000 rebate on this limited production, one of a kind vehicle.
I'm voting by not buying and waiting for the rebates and upgrades. I'm very interested to see the Track version that was rumored to be coming. And with the Eaton Supercharger that is coming in the other 6.4's, it's only a matter of time, before that gets squeezed in the engine bay.

[soontobesrt]

Scott. I agree that $55K was the right price point. Scratch the special Novelis Fusion hood for a black Ops Carbon Fiber and call it a day. :D

I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.





(FLAME SUIT ON) :slapfight:



Been saying this for AGES! But NOBODY wants to hear it. The crazy jump in price combined with the mediocre performance gains has everyone PISSED OFF and RUNNING WILD! LOL

Personally Im still with you, although I'm a little ticked about the jump, I still see it as a great value and totally worth it. Nothing can compare to it at its price point, thats been a FACT for some time now :)

[Knightrider03m]

Been saying this for AGES! But NOBODY wants to hear it. The crazy jump in price combined with the mediocre performance gains has everyone PISSED OFF and RUNNING WILD! LOL

Personally Im still with you, although I'm a little ticked about the jump, I still see it as a great value and totally worth it. Nothing can compare to it at its price point, thats been a FACT for some time now :)

I've always expected the Jeep to cost much more. Although I still think that Jeep over priced the truck by at least $5-6K. I'm still not in the boat of almost everything else and crying about the price. However, I question if JEEP can pull of this type of pricing. There are still a lot of people that remember how Chrysler products were. Those are years and years of failure that you just can't shake off with a "new and improved" model. Chrysler still does not have the following that both GM and Ford has that can justify a 60K price tag for an non-luxury car.

Then you have their warranty which is (IMO) one of the worst warranties in the business and their customer service at the dealership. No road side for an flat tire and no rental coverage if your Jeep is in the shop overnight. Those are items if you get if you buy their extended warranty but you can only get their 100K mile maxi care warranty since they do not offer a life time warranty on SRT models. You can get much better service and treatment from Lincoln or Cadillac dealership. I've yet to walk into a Jeep dealership that has a high volume of customers that my didn't rush me to the service waiting area because they were "busy". All of the high volume Lincoln and Cadillac dealerships that I've been to never treated me like that. Hell, my low volume Jeep dealer never offered what my Lincoln dealer offered me. When I had my Lincoln, they had car porters come out to my home in the morning to pick up my car just for a simple oil change and bring it back to me with no problem, which helped me a lot since due to my job I'm almost never up in time to take my cars into service. I ask my Jeep dealership and was told that they don't do that.

I wish the SRT all the best but don't think its going to last too long on the market. Its just going to become another Dodge Ram SRT10.

[hound]

I recently re-watched the Moto-Man episode where he rides along with Ralph Gillies in the new "Green with Envy" 392 Challenger. There is a quote Ralph makes that, I guess, now rings true.

"Now we're doing things that we hope will get credit for instead of being afraid to do it in the first place. Over time I think.... we have no choice but start getting our brands to stand for something. You can't be all about extreme value. You've got be about innovation, luxury and performance."

I can't post the link to the video because my work blocks streaming video. The quote begins at 21 minutes into the video.

All very interesting now.......

[Lingohocken]

Then you have their warranty which is (IMO) one of the worst warranties in the business and their customer service at the dealership. No road side for an flat tire and no rental coverage if your Jeep is in the shop overnight. Those are items if you get if you buy their extended warranty but you can only get their 100K mile maxi care warranty since they do not offer a life time warranty on SRT models.

Wow, kinda makes you wonder whether they've figured out the SRT drivetrain can't handle the 150k mile target mentioned in the engineers' chat. They sort of hinted at that when explaining why the tow limit was lowered over the standard Hemi.:(

[QuickOne]

However, I question if JEEP can pull of this type of pricing. There are still a lot of people that remember how Chrysler products were. Those are years and years of failure that you just can't shake off with a "new and improved" model. Chrysler still does not have the following that both GM and Ford has that can justify a 60K price tag for an non-luxury car.
I agree and we will see. I did ask my dealership when they are upgrading their service area for these $65K Jeep and they said "soon" Starting at the front and working their way back. LOL...We'll see!

Then you have their warranty which is (IMO) one of the worst warranties in the business and their customer service at the dealership. No road side for an flat tire and no rental coverage if your Jeep is in the shop overnight. Those are items if you get if you buy their extended warranty but you can only get their 100K mile maxi care warranty since they do not offer a life time warranty on SRT models.

I have roadside assistance when I purchased mine new. I programmed the number into my phone, but never needed it. My dealer also gave me a loaner for a day long warranty fix. I did not have the extended warranty and never discussed purchasing till after this repair was done. Maybe it's your dealer and not the whole lot.
Which bring me to the next point, is they do offer a lifetime warranty on the SRTs. I have the price quote and the only reason I didn't go with it, was because it is non transferable like the 7/100K.

I wish the SRT all the best but don't think its going to last too long on the market. Its just going to become another Dodge Ram SRT10.
I highly doubt your right with this assumption.
The new Jeep is much more user friendly and appeals to a much broader spectrum than the Ram. At 9 mpg, and sales totals of 1900 units in 2006, vs 3200 of the Jeep SRT8. The demand wasn't there.
SRT is upgrading and expanding their line up as a separate company. I am 100% sure, the Jeep won't be like the Ram.
However, I've heard rumblings from SRT for a Ram SRT again, so we'll see.

[Jeeps]

[QUOTE=QuickOne;478558]
Which bring me to the next point, is they do offer a lifetime warranty on the SRTs. I have the price quote and the only reason I didn't go with it, was because it is non transferable like the 7/100K.

What is the cost of the lifetime warranty compared to the 7yr. Does it cover everything or just powertrain?

[QuickOne]

Price is about $400 more total.

Maximum Care is the most comprehensive plan available. It extends your vehicle's powertrain and basic component coverage beyond the 3-year/36,000-mile manufacturer's warranty and covers more than 5,000 components, providing virtually complete mechanical coverage for your vehicle. Maximum Care is an exclusionary plan, often referred to as "Bumper-to-Bumper" and as such if it's not excluded, it's covered. The only parts and labor not covered are:

Maintenance services and items used in such services.
Glass, plastic lenses.
Body and paint items, including soft trim.
Wear items such as manual clutch assembly, brake pads, shoes, rotors, drums and belts are not covered at any time.
Snow plows, winches and trailer hitches




$0, $50, or $100 Deductible Per Repair Visit
$100 "Sign-and-Go" Towing and Roadside Assistance*
$35/First Day Rental*
$35/Day Car Rental Allowance*
$1,000 Trip Interruption Protection*
Auto Valet Concierge Service*
One-Time Plan Transfer (except Lifetime plans)

[Scottina06]

I may have found my base 2012 SRT Jeep......1200 miles away. Should get the info on it tomorrow....

[BostonDMD]

Congrats Scott....:thumbsup:

[Scottina06]

great price too......


not getting my hopes up yet though