CMR Tunes...

[Frankie]

I was wondering if Tom or anyone could chime in on some questions about CMR tunes!


What is a CMR tune?

How are they made?


Also, Joe is killing TMan and I and we are wondering how we can catch him!

I guess for me, Im diff since I dont have an MHP tune, but TMan has an MHP tune and the same mods as Joe...Yet he is almost a FULL SECOND slower?!

Any explanations on this?

Are all tunes the same?

We are just trying to figure this out in our quest to BEAT JOE!! :lol::slapfight::cool:

Thanks!!!! :thumbsup:

[Robert Palmer]

Jeez, everyone wants to beat me at the track. LOL

[FlyinRyan]

Jeez, everyone wants to beat me at the track. LOL

You're on my list too......:D

[Robert Palmer]

You're on my list too......:D

Lets go. :D

[Frankie]

Make your own thread ****ERS! :p

[Escape]

I can help you in your quest
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Yoda says: May the Turbo be with you!

Escape

[Megatron]

Yoda speaks backwards! lol..........

Sorry I had to. (being a star wars fan)

[Escape]

Yoda speaks backwards! lol..........

Sorry I had to. (being a star wars fan)

True True...

Help you in your quest I can! :thumbsup:

[pjs1965]

A CMR Tune is a custom tune developed by a certified CMR Tuner usually during a session on a dyno but also can be accomplished with datalogging. It's developed from a template on the tuner's PC and uploaded to the Predator. I've read that it shows up under a heading called "Custom Tunes".

The predator comes with a few 'canned' tunes that you can upload to your Jeep. You can also adjust these 'canned' tunes as well. There's a variety of settings you can adjust and it takes some time to learn all the tips/tricks w/datalogging and settings.

CMR tune is specific to your Jeep and setup whereas the canned tunes are general setups and then you (or someone knowledgeable) can adjust settings to improve performance.

IMO, a proper CMR tune (w/dyno) is worth the cost when coupled with a customized setup (heads/cam/headers) where there's a larger degree of modification. Then again, if you have the $$ to spend, go for it. You never know :D

[blackpepper]

I too am curious. Is it Joe's straight through exhaust? I would be a lil disappointed if I was in Tman's shoes.

[tman4024]

I feel like the exhaust wouldn't add almost a second to a 1/4 mile time, but I"m not sure.

The one time we raced, we were almost even off the line(he had a .1 second better reaction time), and we were off by .1 until 330 where Joe was up almost .4 second and Joe just took off and I couldn't catch him. My shifting could have been off a little but I'm not sure.

[Frankie]

I feel like the exhaust wouldn't add almost a second to a 1/4 mile time, but I"m not sure.

The one time we raced, we were almost even off the line(he had a .1 second better reaction time), and we were off by .1 until 330 where Joe was up almost .4 second and Joe just took off and I couldn't catch him. My shifting could have been off a little but I'm not sure.

Yeah, I doubt the exhaust would add a second...If so, Ill be redoing mine ASAP! LOL

[robpp]

its all about data. they all giver you a baseline. maybe MHP baseline liked Joes mods better than your DCX one like yours.

you need to talk to whoever about getting YOUR tune dialed in. you can do some logging with the predator, an AF wideband would be better, time on dyno best.

so my 2 cents: decide your tuner long term. discuss your goals with them. discuss datalogging. get some revised tunes.

[Scottina06]

I got an idea for ya guys....do some suspension mods and then invite Joe to a track and leave hi in the dust. Racing just isnt 1420 feet

[Frankie]

its all about data. they all giver you a baseline. maybe MHP baseline liked Joes mods better than your DCX one like yours.

you need to talk to whoever about getting YOUR tune dialed in. you can do some logging with the predator, an AF wideband would be better, time on dyno best.

so my 2 cents: decide your tuner long term. discuss your goals with them. discuss datalogging. get some revised tunes.

We are talking about TMan vs Joe though...They both have the MHP tune!

[blackpepper]

This thread wouldn't be fair if we were comparing two tunes fellas.. this is about the same tune from the same company...



I got an idea for ya guys....do some suspension mods and then invite Joe to a track and leave hi in the dust. Racing just isnt 1320 feet

Fixed!

[Robert Palmer]

Exactly.


I have no explanation as to why Tman and I are so far apart in times. I really dont know what to say.

[BUBBADOG]

Its a shame SCT cant do nothing for u guys !! its the BOMB

[Scottina06]

Exactly.


I have no explanation as to why Tman and I are so far apart in times. I really dont know what to say.

if the tunes and mods are the same...then theoretically its the driver. There is alos a difference in trucks. Next time you guys go....let Joe drive your trucks and see what he comes up with. Joe has a lot more experience with 1320 racing than either of you guys.

[Frankie]

if the tunes and mods are the same...then theoretically its the driver. There is alos a difference in trucks. Next time you guys go....let Joe drive your trucks and see what he comes up with. Joe has a lot more experience with 1420 racing than either of you guys.

True...But he told us exactly what he does!

IDK...Something just doesnt make sense to me!

[FlyinRyan]

Assuming nothing is mechanically wrong....I would suspect the two tunes are not identical.

Are both trucks running lower temp thermostats? tire size the same? rims? What are the datalogs saying?

To be really sure, a wideband is necessary.

[Frankie]

Assuming nothing is mechanically wrong....I would suspect the two tunes are not identical.

Are both trucks running lower temp thermostats? tire size the same? rims? What are the datalogs saying?

To be really sure, a wideband is necessary.

I think TMan has the stock tstat and Joe has the 180!

Both have stock tire sizes and rims!

[Frankie]

How much would the 180tstat help?

[blackpepper]

How much would the 180tstat help?

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[Robert Palmer]

(Ryan races to the garage and grabs the 180 off the shelf to install.) LOL

[Frankie]

(Ryan races to the garage and grabs the 180 off the shelf to install.) LOL

Seriously...Ill install one tomorrow! LOL

[Scottina06]

I doubt it adds 1 sec. to the 1/4

[blackpepper]

Ok no more pussy-footing around. I got an appointment next Tuesday for a three hour dyno session that includes the CMR tune for $190.

www.ditomotors.com They are an authorized Diablo CMR dealer or whatever so this should be fun.

The guy said he's done a few GCSRT8's I asked how much it's improved he said some take the CMR over canned real well and others don't and the first thing he said it could be the intake... food for thought. Tman - what intake do you have?

Lastly, the rep. at the shop said that a CMR over canned tune can find 10-15 more horsepower.

[Robert Palmer]

He has a AirAid.

[Scottina06]

you never ran a 14.3 with a Hot air...right Joey?

[blackpepper]

hell no.. he's been sitting at 14.6 for months now.

[Scottina06]

so how did he lose .3 all the sudden? I call BS Joey....fess up! LOL....J/K

[Robert Palmer]

I have nothing to fess up to. The only thing I did different at the track this time was take out all the floor mats and the rear cargo tray. And I know thats not worth 3 tenths! lol

[blackpepper]

And wasn't it 25* cooler?

What was the track temp for the 14.5999999999 and what was the track temp for the 14.25?

[Scottina06]

I said I was joking Joey......

[Robert Palmer]

I know. I know. I was just being a fool. :D

[Robert Palmer]

And wasn't it 25* cooler?

What was the track temp for the 14.5999999999 and what was the track temp for the 14.25?

14.25- 61 degrees.

14.495- 75 degrees.

14.599- 78 degrees.

[Scottina06]

LOL.....+rep for the admission

[FlyinRyan]

How much would the 180tstat help?

Frankie, it depends on the tune- most specifically, just how agressive it is. More power is actually made the HOTTER a motor is, but a hotter motor means more detonation. Running a cooler thermostat would provide no gains on , say, a stock PCM calibration, but a hot 93 pump gas tune, etc, it would allow you to run a few more degrees (how many depends on just how close to the ragged edge you are) of timing. This typically translates into more power.

So ultimately, the cooler the thermostat, the more timing (to an extent) you can run without pinging. I'm not overly familiar with DSP but you should be able to log knock retard ....I bet with a stock stat, the CMR tune may be running a little too much timing at WOT, which means the knock sensors are pulling timing, not only making it run richer but retarding timing which means it will be significantly slower.

I run a Jet 180 in my 4.7. I have been having cooling issues (I have a hot 93 file from Sean Powell via SCT) so I'll be tossing in an aftermarket radiator tomorrow, but just as extra insurance, I'll be drilling a small hole in my t-stat to keep it at no higher than 180 at all times. I don't have knock sensors to save my butt like the Hemi's do.
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see above.
14.25- 61 degrees.

14.495- 75 degrees.

14.599- 78 degrees.

All this talk brings up an excellent point- For comparison's sake, I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS correct my times for Density Altitude. This allows me to remove weather as a consideration for differences between runs, especially on different days.

[Robert Palmer]

14.25- 61 degrees.

14.495- 75 degrees.

14.599- 78 degrees.

Corrected (In Order):

14.237 @ 94.617 MPH

14.34 @ 95.066 MPH

14.313 @ 95.378 MPH





So what can we gain from this Ryan? I am curious to find out the answer as to why my Jeep runs so much stronger than T-Man's or Frankie's.

[blackpepper]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Robert Palmer]

Oh wait so the 180 helps?


But how can that be when the fans on the 5.7 are hydraulic?

[FlyinRyan]

Corrected (In Order):

14.237 @ 94.617 MPH

14.34 @ 95.066 MPH

14.313 @ 95.378 MPH





So what can we gain from this Ryan? I am curious to find out the answer as to why my Jeep runs so much stronger than T-Man's or Frankie's.

Thanks for the corrections Joe.

What we can gain from this, is that things are not always as they seem. What is T-man's corrected time? Once we know that, then we know the true difference between the two Jeeps.

Without seeing datalogs/AFR's, I am making educated guesses at best, but I would dare to say that with warmer coolant temps, he may be picking up some knock retard, especially if he's losing alot of time towards the back half of the track.

The faster you're going, obviously the higher of a gear you're in (creating more load), and the more other factors like drag kick in (further increasing load). The more load you have, the more likely you are to get spark knock/detonation. Unless the Hemi PCM is different in its logic than the older JTEC computers, once timing is retarded, it will not make the necessary adjustments to the AFR to bring it back in check. So with the PCM retarding timing, not only do you have less timing than normal, but also a rich AFR.

The other scenario- and this would produce similiar results- is if the intake setup T-man is using is picking up alot of hot air, it will register on the IAT, which if not disabled, will also make the PCM pull timing. With the SCT tuner we have rendered this sensor useless so the PCM will not pull timing when it gets heat-soaked.

Again, this might not be 100% accurate because I'm basing this info off my experience with the 4.7 and JTEC tuning, but it should be similiar in function.

Honestly, if you are doing ANY sort of CMR tuning, if you're not on the dyno you NEED a wideband.
Thanks for the clarification.

You're very welcome.
Oh wait so the 180 helps?


But how can that be when the fans on the 5.7 are hydraulic?

the later 4.7s have a hydraulic fan too. These fans spin at a lower rpm (but spin nonetheless) at all times, but go into a high-speed setting when they exceed a certain temp. On the 4.7 , stock calibration triggers the high speed at 220* F. PCM tuning can change this setting, but the thermostat regulates coolant flow.

[blackpepper]

I can't wait for Tuesday :D

[FlyinRyan]

I can't wait for Tuesday :D

I dont have any direct experience with the DSP, but I can tell you that even on a mildly modded late model Mopar the difference between a canned tune and a dialed in custom tune is awesome. If you have a 180 stat laying around, INSTALL IT!

[Frankie]

+rep for Sleepy for all the help and explanations!

[Robert Palmer]

Thank You for the explanation Ryan. Jeremy, please get in here with your corrected times. I don't have the slips.

Well I did a datalog with these same exact mods and I see that I get around 6 degrees short term knock. Its from the pump gas containing 10% ethanol. And on the 14.255 and 14.599 run, I had pump gas in the Jeep and on the 14.495 I had a gallon of 100 in the tank.


+Rep for you Ryan.

[Frankie]

Do the CMR tunes change based on your driving habits?

For instance, TMan drives 4 hours to get to the track using cruise control at 70mph!

[Frankie]

Id still like to hear what Tom has to say since they are his tunes!

[QBNKID]

I have the answers... :rolleyes:
1. Joe's jeep was waxed with a special wax that I have, it creates about 50% less drag and it feels like the jeep is waaaaay more aerodynamic. Good for 1 sec off of your current 1/4 mile :). I'm telling you this wax is better than any CMR tune out there :lol:.
2. Joe's jeep lost about 200 Lbs or rock, dirt, mud, grease etc when I cleaned the undercarriage, so it weights less now. :)
3. And last but not least and most important of all.... I trained the kid... :D
Any questions??? :cool:

NX-1 Auto Detailing doesn't just make your jeeps look good, it makes them about a second faster too :lol:.
OK I'm taking appointments now to dyno-wax your jeeps :D.

[blackpepper]

Is there a "data-logging for dummies" book out there somewhere?

[tman4024]

Uncorrected Times: Corrected Times:

15.233 @ 89.71 15.019 @ 90.943

15.130 @ 90.39 14.947 @ 91.504

14.954 @ 92.84 14.781 @ 93.939

[blackpepper]

That's crazy...

[Frankie]

That's crazy...

Agreed!

[Frankie]

Im trying to get Tim from DCX Depot over here!

[Robert Palmer]

Bump.

[Robert Palmer]

I have the answers... :rolleyes:
1. Joe's jeep was waxed with a special wax that I have, it creates about 50% less drag and it feels like the jeep is waaaaay more aerodynamic. Good for 1 sec off of your current 1/4 mile :). I'm telling you this wax is better than any CMR tune out there :lol:.
2. Joe's jeep lost about 200 Lbs or rock, dirt, mud, grease etc when I cleaned the undercarriage, so it weights less now. :)
3. And last but not least and most important of all.... I trained the kid... :D
Any questions??? :cool:

NX-1 Auto Detailing doesn't just make your jeeps look good, it makes them about a second faster too :lol:.
OK I'm taking appointments now to dyno-wax your jeeps :D.

1.) Yes that BlackFire wax is grrrrrrreeeaaatttt stuff. So much more aerodynamic. I can see the air moving now. :D

2.) True. There was a lot of dirt, so there was a lot of weight reduction. Frankie I told ya man there is at least 20 pounds of dirt. LOLOLOLOLOL

3.) Yes I was trained very well. The apprentice has learned a lot. :)

[blackpepper]

10:30 Tuesday PST

I'll be at the dyno if anyone wants to chat.

[FlyinRyan]

+rep for Sleepy for all the help and explanations!

Thanks Frankie! All in the name of going fast. :thumbsup:

Thank You for the explanation Ryan. Jeremy, please get in here with your corrected times. I don't have the slips.

Well I did a datalog with these same exact mods and I see that I get around 6 degrees short term knock. Its from the pump gas containing 10% ethanol. And on the 14.255 and 14.599 run, I had pump gas in the Jeep and on the 14.495 I had a gallon of 100 in the tank.


+Rep for you Ryan.

Thanks for the rep.

I don't know where you got the idea that the Ethanol-laced gas is causing your knock. The only effect E10 has on tuning is that the AFR needs to be slightly fatter to account for the ethanol itself. Ethanol as many of you know has alcohol in it....which requires more fuel to complete the combustion process. If you are running on the edge of safe with 100% pump gas, you will run lean with E10. Which will inhibit (although not always be the cause of) knock. 6 degrees seems excessive...I would look into having your tuner add a little bit of fuel. If the Jeep 5.7 PCM works similiarly to the Ram 5.7's, those knock sensors can only pull so much timing to stop the knock...you really outta be careful.


Do the CMR tunes change based on your driving habits?

For instance, TMan drives 4 hours to get to the track using cruise control at 70mph!

Again, please take my insight with a grain of salt (because I have no actual experience with DSP/CMR), but yes, PCM tuning does adapt over time. It may not have so much to do with driving style, but there is a learning process any time you make changes to the PCM tables. I thought I read something about CMR software having the ability to turn the adaptives off somewhere, but I can't confirm that.



Id still like to hear what Tom has to say since they are his tunes!

I would too. One thing I would like to point out is that I do NOT want to step on any toes- and I am certainly not discrediting Tom and/or MHP in saying that your tunes are bad or anything- I know MHP puts out some real good stuff- but I very strongly believe that in order to really dial your tunes in, you need to AT MINIMUM run a wideband gauge to see what your AFR is doing.


I have the answers... :rolleyes:
1. Joe's jeep was waxed with a special wax that I have, it creates about 50% less drag and it feels like the jeep is waaaaay more aerodynamic. Good for 1 sec off of your current 1/4 mile :). I'm telling you this wax is better than any CMR tune out there :lol:.
2. Joe's jeep lost about 200 Lbs or rock, dirt, mud, grease etc when I cleaned the undercarriage, so it weights less now. :)
3. And last but not least and most important of all.... I trained the kid... :D
Any questions??? :cool:

NX-1 Auto Detailing doesn't just make your jeeps look good, it makes them about a second faster too :lol:.
OK I'm taking appointments now to dyno-wax your jeeps :D.

:lol::lol::lol: Mario, you crack me up. PS, good to hear from you today! :thumbsup:

[Robert Palmer]

Thanks for that advice Ryan.


There is something tremendously different that is causing this discrepancy in times between T-man and I.

Could him having a AirAid, full magnaflow catback (with no reso) make such a huge difference?

One thing that Frankie said was that we both have the same wheels. We do not. He has 18's and I have 17's.

Discuss.

[Frankie]

Thanks for that advice Ryan.


There is something tremendously different that is causing this discrepancy in times between T-man and I.

Could him having a AirAid, full magnaflow catback (with no reso) make such a huge difference?

One thing that Frankie said was that we both have the same wheels. We do not. He has 18's and I have 17's.

Discuss.

Yes, I didnt realize he has the 18s!

Joe, You werent running 15s when you had your AirAid! ;)

[Robert Palmer]

No I was not. After the CMR (in the summer) I saw anywhere from 14.7-14.9 because it was sooooo fawking hot.

[Robert Palmer]

I really do not know how to explain the 14.255. I am stumped as to how it happened.

[blackpepper]

Sleepy do you have any insight towards the dependability of the front and rear differentials and the transmission, too. On average.. how much hp can one put into a 4x4 until they should be concerned about damage to the drivetrain?

I have the 91 tune and when I let off the throttle after a near WOT jaunt, I hear this loud "clunk" from the front I think it's the front diff. maybe not and it sounds too loud to be the TC.. any insight?

[Scottina06]

the QD is a great 4x4 drivetrain and I have herd thye can handle upwards of 600 hp

[blackpepper]

What do you think that clunk could be? Only happens when I have the tune in?

[Robert Palmer]

^I had that since day one.

[FlyinRyan]

Thanks for that advice Ryan.


There is something tremendously different that is causing this discrepancy in times between T-man and I.

Could him having a AirAid, full magnaflow catback (with no reso) make such a huge difference?

One thing that Frankie said was that we both have the same wheels. We do not. He has 18's and I have 17's.

Discuss.

Anytime Joe.

I agree, something isn't adding up. I believe that the Airaid is part of the problem. An unknown part of it is the tune. And I bet about .1 is because of the wheel/tire combo. 1 lb of rotational mass is equivalent to about 7 lbs of static weight, so if you can compare how much each combo weights....you can approximate the difference in times.

are both exhausts 2.5? or 3"?

[FlyinRyan]

Sleepy do you have any insight towards the dependability of the front and rear differentials and the transmission, too. On average.. how much hp can one put into a 4x4 until they should be concerned about damage to the drivetrain?

I have the 91 tune and when I let off the throttle after a near WOT jaunt, I hear this loud "clunk" from the front I think it's the front diff. maybe not and it sounds too loud to be the TC.. any insight?

I have the original QD unit in my WJ....They work. I regularly take my Jeep through sand pits and so long as you keep your foot in it, yes, it works as advertised. That being said, I have damaged a pinion gear on street tires while wheeling.....Oops. Lets just say there was alot of throttle and wheel hop involved on that one. Pretty unlikely to happen as long as you're not driving like a moron. I was guilty as charged on that one. :lol:

Since you have IFS, and QD is a mechanical system not electronic like QD II I'm not really sure what that is....I'd be tempted to say it could be a u-joint (if such a thing exists going to an IFS front axle???)

When DSP first came out for the Rams, there was several people having drivetrain issues....many had transmission failures not long afterward. Many reported clunks upon letting off the gas.

[blackpepper]

I have the electric QD II you speak of..

[Frankie]

I agree, something isn't adding up. I believe that the Airaid is part of the problem. ?

But Joe had an AirAid when he first got his tune and he still wasnt in the 15s!

[Robert Palmer]

I dont have a full exhaust. Just a muffler but for me I am using the stock sized pipes until the muffler, then it's 3''.

[QBNKID]

I don't see Joe's 14.25 too hard to believe...
When I ran a 14.3 and a 14.4 with my last 5.7L WK, this were the mods I had:
- B&G PCM
- Magnaflow muffler
- No resonators
- Electric Cutout
- AIRAID CAI
- 180º Tstat

The only difference from my set up to Joe's is that he has a CMR tune, Bwoody CAI & the Dynomax race muffler. All those 3 things are superior in performance to the ones I had.
Joe, did the homework right and knew that that combo in mods will work to his advantage.
Of course the CMR tune has to be the most important of the mods for all the rest to work together and as they are supposed to. But then I think the combo of the Bwoody "true" CAI coupled with the free flow exhaust that he has is doing wonders for him.

[HEMIBeast]

I dont find it hard to believe either.

[tman4024]

I've got 3" pipe from the cat back

[Frankie]

We don't find his numbers hard to believe...We just don't get why no one is close with the same mods!

[QBNKID]

We don't find his numbers hard to believe...We just don't get why no one is close with the same mods!Frankie, then I said it wrong, I should have said... hard to understand. Well I was close to his numbers and I think my jeep and his would be running very close now if I had the Predator with CMR tune and a Bwoody.
Frankie, I think your exhaust might be restricting you a little, same goes for the wheels I believe.
Jeremy, I'm not too sure about yours thou.

[Robert Palmer]

Frankie, then I said it wrong, I should have said... hard to understand. Well I was close to his numbers and I think my jeep and his would be running very close now if I had the Predator with CMR tune and a Bwoody.
Frankie, I think your exhaust might be restricting you a little, same goes for the wheels I believe.
Jeremy, I'm not too sure about yours thou.

Too bad you didnt still have your 5.7. This would be very interesting to see a competition between you and I. :)

As far as Jeremy, no one is sure as to why he is not close. And we can't get an explanation from no one. LOL

[QBNKID]

Too bad you didnt still have your 5.7. This would be very interesting to see a competition between you and I. :)
What do you mean too bad...:confused: I have an SRT8 now. Get yourself an SRT8 and let the catching up begin! ;)
I'm waiting... :sleepy:

[blackpepper]

This is becoming one expensive competition!

Mario.. do you have any prep advice for the Jeep before I get it dyno tuned?

[Robert Palmer]

What do you mean too bad...:confused: I have an SRT8 now. Get yourself an SRT8 and let the catching up begin! ;)
I'm waiting... :sleepy:

I mean that it would have been cool if you still had the 5.7 and we were competing event after event.


Hey man, be patient. In January I will be catching up. :D

[QBNKID]

This is becoming one expensive competition!

Mario.. do you have any prep advice for the Jeep before I get it dyno tuned?Yes, make sure is nice and clean :).

I mean that it would have been cool if you still had the 5.7 and we were competing event after event.


Hey man, be patient. In January I will be catching up. :DWe did that for a while... Let me see if I find the video when we raced the 5.7s. :thumbsup:

4 more months to go.... wow! that's right around the corner. Heck I would start buying mods for the SRT from now and start taking the ones in the 5.7 out ;).
j/k keep the mods on the 5.7 until the week before you are returning it.

[Robert Palmer]

We competed twice. The first time I went to the track. There you wiped the floor with me. :lol:

And I am not sure for that second event if we raced each other.

Then for the next event you showed up with the SRT. :)




Initial Mods for the SRT:

Bwoody CAI
MHP CMR Tune

And I am going back and forth as to whether do a DynoGibFlow or DynoFlow (2 bullet mufflers and FM tips)

[FlyinRyan]

Fellas, I already gave you your answer.....

it's in the tire/wheel combo, and tune predominantly.....Tman, Blackpepper and Frankie both need a 180 stat....

Does the '08 5.7 have any more resonators/cats than Joe's?

[HEMIBeast]

I WANT A DAMN CMR TUNE! Ok, sorry carry on now! :D

[tman4024]

Fellas, I already gave you your answer.....

it's in the tire/wheel combo, and tune predominantly.....Tman, Blackpepper and Frankie both need a 180 stat....

Does the '08 5.7 have any more resonators/cats than Joe's?

My resos are gone and so are Joes.

[eddiefig]

Ok no more pussy-footing around. I got an appointment next Tuesday for a three hour dyno session that includes the CMR tune for $190.

www.ditomotors.com (http://www.ditomotors.com) They are an authorized Diablo CMR dealer or whatever so this should be fun.

The guy said he's done a few GCSRT8's I asked how much it's improved he said some take the CMR over canned real well and others don't and the first thing he said it could be the intake... food for thought. Tman - what intake do you have?

Lastly, the rep. at the shop said that a CMR over canned tune can find 10-15 more horsepower.

".....an authorized Diablo CMR dealer OR WHATEVER....."?? Make sure you're not just letting any Joe Shmoe reprogram your Jeep. If they don't know what they're doing, they can REALLY f**k some sh*t up. A good reputable tuner will charge about $120/hour for dyno time. $190 for 3 hours including the tune seems too good to be true. Just because they are an "authorized" CMR dealer, does not mean they invented it. Just looking out for you, man. Be careful.

[blackpepper]

The res is just packed with insulation, deep inside is a straight pipe so I believe it shouldn't restrict any more than one w/o .. but I could be wrong and I love to learn :)

The cats are the same...

I know I need the 180 installed, I really don't know why it's not in yet :confused:

[blackpepper]

".....an authorized Diablo CMR dealer OR WHATEVER....."?? Make sure you're not just letting any Joe Shmoe reprogram your Jeep. If they don't know what they're doing, they can REALLY f**k some sh*t up. A good reputable tuner will charge about $120/hour for dyno time. $190 for 3 hours including the tune seems too good to be true. Just because they are an "authorized" CMR dealer, does not mean they invented it. Just looking out for you, man. Be careful.

Thanks a ton. For reals. I said whatever b/c I dunno.. call it a Cali thing :D

The only reasons I trust them is a) I see dozens of LX cars at the track with their sticker, know a guy with a Charger, and Ditos is all they talk about... b) I bought the Diablo Predator from them directly instead of having it shipped and I was satisfied with the experience.. especially right after I left the shop I got to try the tune out against a Challenger R/T .. :cool:

[eddiefig]

No prob. Just making sure its not some guy programming out of his mom's basement. Lol. J/K

[Robert Palmer]

Lets hope October 10th's weather is cooler than the last track run.

Can someone say 14.1? :D

[Scottina06]

Can someone say "big head" LOL

[Robert Palmer]

Can someone say "big head" LOL

As I was typing my last response, that is what I thought people would think. LOL


Sorry, I am just stoked to go back and try to knock off more time. :)

[QBNKID]

We competed twice. The first time I went to the track. There you wiped the floor with me. :lol:

And I am not sure for that second event if we raced each other.

Then for the next event you showed up with the SRT. :)




Initial Mods for the SRT:

Bwoody CAI
MHP CMR Tune

And I am going back and forth as to whether do a DynoGibFlow or DynoFlow (2 bullet mufflers and FM tips)Hey Joe look I found the videos... :lol:

This one is heads up racing
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Etown%20MOPAR%20NATIONALS%202008/th_0b4aa985.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Etown%20MOPAR%20NATIONALS%202008/?action=view&current=0b4aa985.flv)

And this one is bracket, me sand-bagging you all the way to the finish line :lol::lol::lol::lol:. And I even gave you the right lane both times :D.
I know I can't do that to you any more, you've learned a lot after that day at the track young padawan.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Etown%20MOPAR%20NATIONALS%202008/th_8dfa736f.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Etown%20MOPAR%20NATIONALS%202008/?action=view&current=8dfa736f.flv)

[Robert Palmer]

(Rushes to delete Mario's last post.) LOL j/k

[Robert Palmer]

Damn, I couldnt even stage right either back then. (Smacks forehead) lol

[QBNKID]

Lets hope October 10th's weather is cooler than the last track run.

Can someone say 14.1? :DPersonally I think is going to run a 13.9. I'm bringing you a TBSS to give you a little competition :lol:.

[Robert Palmer]

Personally I think is going to run a 13.9. I'm bringing you a TBSS to give you a little competition :lol:.

:eek::D

Bring it. :)

[FlyinRyan]

:eek::D

Bring it. :)


Man Joe I think with all your recent trackside success I'll have to hurry up on whippin' up a little somethin somethin, when I'm done you're gonna wanna take your ball and go home :lol::lol::lol:

[Robert Palmer]

Man Joe I think with all your recent trackside success I'll have to hurry up on whippin' up a little somethin somethin, when I'm done you're gonna wanna take your ball and go home :lol::lol::lol:

Nah I am not a sore loser...... When in public. I will throw a tantrum/shit fit when I leave the track. LOLOLOL :lol:

And with all this talk from you, WTF do you have done? Last time I remember you went to the track (saw the thread online, wasn't there in person) didnt you run in the 15's?

[QBNKID]

(Rushes to delete Mario's last post.) LOL j/k:lol::lol::lol:

Damn, I couldnt even stage right either back then. (Smacks forehead) lolI have a video of me like that too, my first time at the track lol.

Here it is so you can laugh too :D
Take a look at the guy helping me stage, and LOL at my reaction time :lol:.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/11-13-2005%20Englishtown/th_Myfirstqrtmileraceever.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/11-13-2005%20Englishtown/?action=view&current=Myfirstqrtmileraceever.flv)

[FlyinRyan]

Nah I am not a sore loser...... When in public. I will throw a tantrum/shit fit when I leave the track. LOLOLOL :lol:

And with all this talk from you, WTF do you have done? Last time I remember you went to the track (saw the thread online, wasn't there in person) didnt you run in the 15's?

I will be running side by side with some of your peers with my current config. Just haven't had a chance to get it to the track.

Nothing about my current setup is very special.

What I am getting at here is something a little more long-term... I have most of it mapped out and mocked up, now just need the funds and an oppurtunity for some downtime.

[Robert Palmer]

:lol::lol::lol:

I have a video of me like that too, my first time at the track lol.

Here it is so you can laugh too :D
Take a look at the guy helping me stage, and LOL at my reaction time :lol:.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/11-13-2005%20Englishtown/th_Myfirstqrtmileraceever.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/11-13-2005%20Englishtown/?action=view&current=Myfirstqrtmileraceever.flv)


LMAO. :lol:

What was the time on that run? If you can remember. lol

[Robert Palmer]

I will be running side by side with some of your peers with my current config. Just haven't had a chance to get it to the track.

Nothing about my current setup is very special.

What I am getting at here is something a little more long-term... I have most of it mapped out and mocked up, now just need the funds and an oppurtunity for some downtime.

Ohhhhh. Interesting. Can't wait to see the end result.

[FlyinRyan]

Ohhhhh. Interesting. Can't wait to see the end result.

Don't hold your breath...I'm not expecting to actually tear down the truck for at least another 18 months. :(

I'm buying another DD in the meantime, because I'm going to be pushing things to the limits.

Lets just say that it will be the first of its kind, and I expect to break any sort of WJ 1/4 that currently exists (13.2 in BlownWJ's 5.0 stroker KB'd setup). :D

[QBNKID]

Nah I am not a sore loser...... When in public. I will throw a tantrum/shit fit when I leave the track. LOLOLOL :lol:

And with all this talk from you, WTF do you have done? Last time I remember you went to the track (saw the thread online, wasn't there in person) didnt you run in the 15's?I have that video too :D :D :D

[Robert Palmer]

Ohhhh shiiiitttt.

[Robert Palmer]

I have that video too :D :D :D

Post up all videos! Or make a separate album that is public! :D

[QBNKID]

LMAO. :lol:

What was the time on that run? If you can remember. lol15.3 and my best was a 15.2. That was with 2200 miles on the jeep and bone stock to the OEM air filter, not even the first oil change :). The only mod I had back then I think it was the rear hitch step.

Take a look...
Note how I started improving on the reaction times lol.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/11-13-2005%20Englishtown/Timeslip.jpg

[QBNKID]

Post up all videos! Or make a separate album that is public! :DHere's a pic first :D

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/ETown%207-28-07%20LMM/IMG_4504.jpg

[Robert Palmer]

Dude was scanning timeslips way back then! LOL

15.2, very nice.



Mine stock in May 08 ran like a 15.7. Damn slow. :lol:

[Megatron]

Damn... Mario was out in the 2nd video.. LOL.

[Robert Palmer]

Scratch that 15.7 I said, I just saw the second video where you sandbagged the shit out of me. :lol:

I ran a 16.00. :eek:

[FlyinRyan]

Here's a pic first :D

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/ETown%207-28-07%20LMM/IMG_4504.jpg

That was a long time ago. I just got new tires, and it was just days before the lift. Old exhaust setup too.

So you're saying there is video of that run?

[Robert Palmer]

That was a long time ago. I just got new tires, and it was just days before the lift. Old exhaust setup too.

So you're saying there is video of that run?

I guess so. He will be right back, he is digging through the archives. LOL

[QBNKID]

Dude was scanning timeslips way back then! LOL

15.2, very nice.



Mine stock in May 08 ran like a 15.7. Damn slow. :lol:That's the same time as they ran in the commercial remember? Let me see if I can find the video... :)

Ahh here it is...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Misc/th_wk_hemi_track.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Misc/?action=view&current=wk_hemi_track.flv)


Damn... Mario was out in the 2nd video.. LOL.What do you mean :confused:
It was a bracket race, Joe was supposed to leave the tree before me. I caught up to him and stayed with the nose of my jeep in front of his until we crossed the finish line. That's what we call sand-bagging, I actually dial in slower hat what I knew I was going to run :D. You just have to let go of the gas and sometimes even hit the brake so you don't run faster than your dial in and at the same time you have to make sure you are in front of your opponent, it could be tricky at times because your opponent might be sand-bagging you as well. That's when you have to really know what your car is going to run ;).

[QBNKID]

That was a long time ago. I just got new tires, and it was just days before the lift. Old exhaust setup too.

So you're saying there is video of that run?I'm still looking for it. I thought there was... :(
If I find it I'll post it.

Yeah I remember the mods you had back then. :)
And I know you'll be unleashing the same jeep with a new attitude very soon. I wish my WJ would be that fast some day :rolleyes:. Maybe a high 14 if I put my mind to it.

[FlyinRyan]

I'm still looking for it. I thought there was... :(
If I find it I'll post it.

Yeah I remember the mods you had back then. :)
And I know you'll be unleashing the same jeep with a new attitude very soon. I wish my WJ would be that fast some day :rolleyes:. Maybe a high 14 if I put my mind to it.

I've never seen the video, itd be interesting to see if you have it.

You should pay attention to NJWJ's build...It's relevant to what you want. :cool:

[Megatron]

What do you mean :confused:
It was a bracket race, Joe was supposed to leave the tree before me. I caught up to him and stayed with the nose of my jeep in front of his until we crossed the finish line. That's what we call sand-bagging, I actually dial in slower hat what I knew I was going to run :D. You just have to let go of the gas and sometimes even hit the brake so you don't run faster than your dial in and at the same time you have to make sure you are in front of your opponent, it could be tricky at times because your opponent might be sand-bagging you as well. That's when you have to really know what your car is going to run ;).

lol relax I was just doing it to pull your strings. I like reading up on this thread, its like better than reading my anatomy textbook.:lol:

[Frankie]

Still no reply from Tom!?

[Robert Palmer]

ttt

[Matt]

Gotcha... what do you mean e-mail tune? Did MHP just send you what they thought would be best for your Jeep?

[Robert Palmer]

Gotcha... what do you mean e-mail tune? Did MHP just send you what they thought would be best for your Jeep?

Yes. I sent them my Stock tune and they used that as a base and sent me back a CMR.

[Matt]

Yes. I sent them my Stock tune and they used that as a base and sent me back a CMR.

Ohh, I gotcha. Cool.

Yeah, get it on a Dyno and see what they can do!!

[Robert Palmer]

Ohh, I gotcha. Cool.

Yeah, get it on a Dyno and see what they can do!!

I want to get it on a Dyno to get my hp/tq numbers.

I dont want to adjust my tune. It is so fawking nice (as you can tell by my 1/4 mile time). If it aint broke dont fix it. :)








And I am still King. :joe: Thank you very much (Elvis voice)

[FlyinRyan]

I want to get it on a Dyno to get my hp/tq numbers.

I dont want to adjust my tune. It is so fawking nice (as you can tell by my 1/4 mile time). If it aint broke dont fix it. :)








And I am still King. :joe: Thank you very much (Elvis voice)
I guarantee that if you let them tweak it on the dyno, you'll get more out of it....

[Robert Palmer]

I guarantee that if you let them tweak it on the dyno, you'll get more out of it....

This is true. And I always have the original CMR file just in case I would want to go back if I am not satisfied. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[FlyinRyan]

This is true. And I always have the original CMR file just in case I would want to go back if I am not satisfied. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Joe, let me put it to you like this. I've been tuning with SCT (I know this is different than DSP CMR tuning, but it's a similiar concept). I'm using basically the best Modern Mopar SCT tuner in the country, and even with real-time wideband readings , it's taken about 10 different revisions to get it close to dialed in. I know the people over at MHP are VERY talented at what they do but they cannot possibly nail a CMR tune in one try, even with a stock file to base their custom tune off of.

plus you should retune for that sweet FRP TB you're gonna buy...right? :lol:

[Matt]

^^ Nice plug, hehe.

[blackpepper]

I guarantee that if you let them tweak it on the dyno, you'll get more out of it....

All he basically has is an intake and exhaust.. don't you think that the tune could potentially be over-aggressive?

[FlyinRyan]

^^ Nice plug, hehe.

I'm more busting Joe's balls than anything else. I'm pretty sure he knows that.

Blackpepper, it is very possible that his current tune is overaggressive. He might be running too much timing (based on what he has told me, me might be) . He could be running lean. Even if the knock sensors are pulling timing to keep him safe, it's going to run slower than if it was dialed in, not pulling timing due to knock, and AFR is stable at 12.0-12.3:1 throughout the powercurve.

I'm certainly not saying he's going to gain 20 hp to the wheels or something like that...but I am confident that he will gain something.

When tuning, there is ALWAYS more power to be gained whenever the present baseline tune is either not aggressive enough, or too aggressive.

For what it's worth, all I have on my own Jeep is exhaust, intake, and a ported TB. The 93 octane "canned" tune from Hemifever aka Sean powell did NOT work well in my truck at all, it pinged real bad.

[Frankie]

I know the people over at MHP are VERY talented at what they do but they cannot possibly nail a CMR tune in one try, even with a stock file to base their custom tune off of.


Seems they did!

Joes tune has had no revisions...It is the same exact one TMan has!

If Joe gets it revised...He might run even lower times!

[HEMIBeast]

Sending a pm your way joe!

[FlyinRyan]

Seems they did!

Joes tune has had no revisions...It is the same exact one TMan has!

If Joe gets it revised...He might run even lower times!

It is extremely unlikely. Unless they managed to dyno-tune a 5.7 WK with those EXACT mods (doubtful), then it's not dialed in. It is likely close, but not 100%.

[Robert Palmer]

Bump!


Mario, do you by any chance have your scanned timeslip from when you ran that 14.464 at Maple Grove?

[QBNKID]

Bump!


Mario, do you by any chance have your scanned timeslip from when you ran that 14.464 at Maple Grove?Man... you had me searching on my time slips box for a while but I found it. :)

Here it is...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Maple%20Grove%206-23-07/TimeSlip.jpg

[Robert Palmer]

Thanks a lot.

That timeslip corrected:

Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
14.286 @ 94.517 MPH

That B&G was badass.


Now what I am wondering is how to get the 60ft times into the 1.99 area. I am not going to powerbrake anymore because I got my best time ever w/o it. (I should have listened to you earlier) :D

I think the PCM was pulling timing when powerbraking. Maybe, just a guess.

[QBNKID]

And it wasn't a fluke, I ran a 14.4 twice...
I just found this other video racing my buddy Allevon in his Charger.
I had a really bad reaction time on that one but he didn't.
BTW, can you believe I still have that PCM... I never sold it :mad:.

This race corrects to this...
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
14.286 @ 94.829 MPH
Talk about consistency :).

Look! my MPH was slightly higher than yours :D.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Maple%20Grove%206-23-07/th_MVI_4338.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/MRodriguez16/Maple%20Grove%206-23-07/?action=view&current=MVI_4338.flv)

[Robert Palmer]

Nice run.


Are you trying to say my 14.2 was a fluke? :D







Just kidding.


On Friday I need to prepare for Saturday.


Mario, I am going to need some serious weight reduction on the Jeep.


Lets put it on the lift and do another undercarriage cleaning! :D lol

[QBNKID]

Thanks a lot.

That timeslip corrected:

Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
14.286 @ 94.517 MPH

That B&G was badass.


Now what I am wondering is how to get the 60ft times into the 1.99 area. I am not going to powerbrake anymore because I got my best time ever w/o it. (I should have listened to you earlier) :D

I think the PCM was pulling timing when powerbraking. Maybe, just a guess.I've been telling you for a long time not to power brake...
To get into the 1.9x 60ft area with your current mods you'll have to go to smaller diameter tires (this will change your gearing), and with the colder weather I have no doubts you'll accomplish that.
Off the line you'll be faster with the smaller diameter tires but it'll hurt you a little at the end of the 1/4 mile. But having the colder temps now, I'm thinking you can pull into the 13s.
Good luck! :thumbsup:

[QBNKID]

Nice run.


Are you trying to say my 14.2 was a fluke? :D







Just kidding.


On Friday I need to prepare for Saturday.


Mario, I am going to need some serious weight reduction on the Jeep.


Lets put it on the lift and do another undercarriage cleaning! :D lolNo bro, I'm sorry I did not mean it like that :lol:, I thought you thought that mine was a fluke :lol::lol:.

On Friday let's take the back seats out on both jeeps and we can leave them at the shop.

I want to run some nice times with the SRT also. Hopefully the weather is on our side :cool:.

[Robert Palmer]

Yeah lets do that.

And I remember that B&G being a badass mofo for your 5.7. I remember you running it in the summer but I never remember any runs in the winter?

[QBNKID]

Yeah lets do that.

And I remember that B&G being a badass mofo for your 5.7. I remember you running it in the summer but I never remember any runs in the winter?I wanted to race with that particular PCM at ATCO but it never happened :mad:.

[Robert Palmer]

:mad:

Damn.

[Robert Palmer]

66°
49°

20% chance of rain for Saturday.


Well anything can change but it looks promising.

[Frankie]

66°
49°

20% chance of rain for Saturday.


Well anything can change but it looks promising.

Wayyyyyyyyy too far in advance! LOL

[FlyinRyan]

Wayyyyyyyyy too far in advance! LOL
Frankie I sent you a PM, please reply

[Frankie]

Frankie I sent you a PM, please reply

Replied! ;)

[FlyinRyan]

Replied! ;)

replied back

[HEMIBeast]

and were back. Cant wait to get a CMR tune.

[FlyinRyan]

and were back. Cant wait to get a CMR tune.

Get it Alfredo, I want to see how you stack up against the competition!

[HEMIBeast]

It wont be fair because I will have headers and Flyin Ryans ported tb over them. :)

[HEMIBeast]

Frankie I sent you a pm!!

[HEMIBeast]

Im guessing 13.8 with both installed and me running with my stock 17's. After I run it with that setup I will install the cam and see what it does. I think thats going to make a BIG difference!!

[FlyinRyan]

Im guessing 13.8 with both installed and me running with my stock 17's. After I run it with that setup I will install the cam and see what it does. I think thats going to make a BIG difference!!

Alfredo, any chance you could make it to the track on the stock 17's before you install the headers? I think theres alot of people that would like to see how you do compared to the rest of the pack, the main difference being your TB.

[HEMIBeast]

yeah I know I was just thinking about that. I will most try. I would also like to see the difference.

[HEMIBeast]

I have to say lol. I can spin my tires reallll hard with this ported tb and my heavy ass 22's with Nitto NT555's. A couple days ago my buddy wanted me to take him for a ride since i installed the ported throttle body and ask me to see if i can spin them. And it was done with ease. lol



Ok back on topic CMR

[HEMIBeast]

What Im really interested in seeing is how I run with my B&G flash vs my predator flash.

[FlyinRyan]

I have to say lol. I can spin my tires reallll hard with this ported tb and my heavy ass 22's with Nitto NT555's. A couple days ago my buddy wanted me to take him for a ride since i installed the ported throttle body and ask me to see if i can spin them. And it was done with ease. lol



Ok back on topic CMR

did he notice a difference?

[HEMIBeast]

Oh yeah!!! Lol :D

[Tom@MHP]

Hey guys sorry I've been in and out the last few weeks. The main reason Joe's runs better that Jeremy's is that Joe purchased our ultra deluxe tune and Jeremy got our reg tune.:D Just kidding Jeremy. First remember one thing there's always a few vehicles with the same mods and so on that always seem to run a little better. And sometimes we never really figure out why. It's like the old saying you don't want the one built on Friday. Ryan bought up a lot of good points which some of it I'll be repeating. And Ryan no worries on stepping on toes as it' nice to have all the good input. Ok some of the different times could come from race weight. A 100lbs can add or subtract 1 tenth to your time, that's why you see people at the track pulling floor mats, cargo mats anything and everything they can get rid of. Taller tires can also make a different. Then are the mods really the same. Do both of the exhaust flow the same. What kind of coolant temps are they running. And one place that Ryan and Joe noticed was the CAI. Joe with his setup is pulling cooler air and the IAT is moved down to read the cooler air. So Jeremy's PCM could me pulling some timing. Now if Joe's a little lighter, if his exhaust flows a little better and just happens to have the right amount of back pressure and his intake flows a little better and is picking cooler air and his tune is closer out of the box than Jeremy's. All these few little things could make the different, it appears to be based on track times. But even if it was determined that they both had exactly the same mods, same weight same everything they may never run the same or close. Hope I didn't go on to long. As far as the tunes go Jeremy is going to send us some logs to look at and see if what we can do there. I think Ryan said this already, there is only so much you can do with out a wide band setup. But that's where everybody has to decide what they're trying to do. We'll get Jeremy dialed in a little better and pick up some time. But should he try a different cai or exhaust to see if it helps? It all depends on the person but as of right now he still has a good running 5.7. To much to type on my phone, will finish later when or not.

Tom.

[Robert Palmer]

Um Tom, no bullshit, my Jeep was built on a Friday. Seriously. :lol:

[HEMIBeast]

Good info Tom. I will be calling you soon.

[tman4024]

Thanks for the response Tom. I guess all the little things do add up to make a difference. For anyone who is reading this thinking about getting a CMR tune from MHP. They are definitely worth it and I do not have any complaints about it. It pulls a lot better off the line and has increased power throughout the gears.

The main reason for bringing all of this up was the noticeable differences between runs. However, looking back there are differences between mine and Joe's setup which are what is causing the differences, I just didn't think it would be that different.

[HEMIBeast]

I think Joe's running Ryan's ported tb and isnt telling anyone. :)

[FlyinRyan]

Tom, thanks for both backing up my points as well as chiming in with your own insight. As a fellow JG Vendor I wanted to make sure that none of my remarks could be interpreted as negative or derogatory. :D

To re-affirm what Tom and I are essentially saying, if you have read this thread, and are wondering why you are slower than your peers, short of buying more parts to go fast, here is a NO-BS assessment of what you need:


More track time to learn/tweak your setup
Discussion with seasoned racers re: tips,technique, etc
A wideband or a dynosession to datalog
Drag racing is not a matter of slapping a bunch of parts together, doing a single test and tune and hoping for the best. Not even close. It is a science. So study it. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the response Tom. I guess all the little things do add up to make a difference. For anyone who is reading this thinking about getting a CMR tune from MHP. They are definitely worth it and I do not have any complaints about it. It pulls a lot better off the line and has increased power throughout the gears.

The main reason for bringing all of this up was the noticeable differences between runs. However, looking back there are differences between mine and Joe's setup which are what is causing the differences, I just didn't think it would be that different.

See above.....


I think Joe's running Ryan's ported tb and isnt telling anyone. :)

LOL, I swear that he isn't. I spoke to Joe last night over the phone and he said that he is done with the mods since his lease is almost up.

I'd be more than happy to offer my services to those who are looking for the edge on Joe, however..... ;)

[QBNKID]

I've never seen the video, itd be interesting to see if you have it.

You should pay attention to NJWJ's build...It's relevant to what you want. :cool:Hey Ryan I found the video... :thumbsup:
I'm uploading it right now :).
Joe, what do you think Ryan ran?

[Robert Palmer]

15.8

[QBNKID]

15.8Nope! :D

[Robert Palmer]

16.2

[HEMIBeast]

I'll take a stab and say 16.4 :D

[QBNKID]

I actually edited a little in movie maker :D
A few more minutes, is uploading now. :)

[Frankie]

To re-affirm what Tom and I are essentially saying, if you have read this thread, and are wondering why you are slower than your peers, short of buying more parts to go fast, here is a NO-BS assessment of what you need:


More track time to learn/tweak your setup
Discussion with seasoned racers re: tips,technique, etc
A wideband or a dynosession to datalog
Drag racing is not a matter of slapping a bunch of parts together, doing a single test and tune and hoping for the best. Not even close. It is a science. So study it. :thumbsup:



Then how do you explain Joes!? LOL

[Robert Palmer]

Speaking of movies, Mario bring your camera. Saturday video is needs to be recorded. :)

[QBNKID]

Speaking of movies, Mario bring your camera. Saturday video is needs to be recorded. :)You betcha! :thumbsup:

[QBNKID]

Here's the video. I had to upload it to youtube, photobucket didn't like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6aAdgrKZc

Joe you nailed it right on the head...

[Robert Palmer]

Bad to the Bone. :D

[FlyinRyan]

Here's the video. I had to upload it to youtube, photobucket didn't like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6aAdgrKZc

Joe you nailed it right on the head...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:

I am a little embarassed that this video has emerged from the Archivos de QBNKID, only because the video is VERY old and thus the Jeep at the time was VERY slow. I am now trapping higher, and running faster at a track that does not prep well , is known to be high in DA, and supposedly uphill....

I will be going to Orlando Spinworld- er, sorry, "Speedworld" Weds....Its going to be HOT and the DA will be through the roof but the goal is DA-corrected 14.99 or better....

[Robert Palmer]

Mario, what are your predictions of times for the both of us on Saturday?

[QBNKID]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:

I am a little embarassed that this video has emerged from the Archivos de QBNKID, only because the video is VERY old and thus the Jeep at the time was VERY slow. I am now trapping higher, and running faster at a track that does not prep well , is known to be high in DA, and supposedly uphill....

I will be going to Orlando Spinworld- er, sorry, "Speedworld" Weds....Its going to be HOT and the DA will be through the roof but the goal is DA-corrected 14.99 or better....:lol: Bro, it's in good humor, not my intention to embarrassed you here, that's why I posted the date on the video (July 2007) that was a long time ago when the WJ only had a few bolt ons and that's what they run.
I just thought it was funny with he background music I chose :D.
I told you I had the video....
Good luck at spinworld, can't wait for the times. When are you going?
Bbbbbbbad to the bone.... :lol:

[QBNKID]

Mario, what are your predictions of times for the both of us on Saturday?I might be pulling a 12.9 - 12.8, you a 14.0 @ 95. I don't think is going to be cold enough for you to pull into the 13s yet, maybe if you ice the intake and be the first on the staging lanes with a really cold jeep. But I think you'll be braking your own NA record again ;).

[Robert Palmer]

That sounds good. Lets hope so!!!! :)

[FlyinRyan]

:lol: Bro, it's in good humor, not my intention to embarrassed you here, that's why I posted the date on the video (July 2007) that was a long time ago when the WJ only had a few bolt ons and that's what they run.
I just thought it was funny with he background music I chose :D.
I told you I had the video....
Good luck at spinworld, can't wait for the times. When are you going?
Bbbbbbbad to the bone.... :lol:

Oh don't worry, i know its in good humor, i know you're not trying to embarass me.

It was hot as sh*t that day too! I ran a 16.2, 16.3, 16.4 that day.

It looks like I'm going Wednesday evening. and BTW, I am a HUGE George Thorogood fan!

edit: spelling :)

[eddiefig]

...... and BTW, I am a HUGE George Thoroughgood fan!

Thorogood. Sorry, I had to. ;)

[Scottina06]

is he in the gratefull dead? LOL

[FlyinRyan]

Thorogood. Sorry, I had to. ;)

I always mix it up and forget which is correct and which isn't...Good lookin' out.

[Robert Palmer]

BUMP and I am looking for an answer here. I am befuddled.

Ok Frankie and I met up yesterday morning at Irfan's house and we load up the Jeeps with the stuff for the tailgating. He has about I guess maybe 60 pounds of stuff and I have like 20. LOL. Anyways we are on I-95 and we decide to go from a roll. I guess we were going 75 mph maybe. The usual 3 honk and we are off. HE WALKED ME TWICE with ease. I had it in 3rd and ESP OFF and no Tow/Haul. I don't know what gear and/or button Frankie had the Jeep in. Can someone please explain how someone with SRT wheels, 60 pounds of shit, a passenger (I think she weighed like 90 lbs. LOL), and he is 85 pounds heavier than me, walk me like that? How the **** is that possible?


Discuss.

[Chaoul1]

Something else is in the Engine that Frankie is hiding from you?

[Scottina06]

easy.....you have a CMR tune for the 1/4 mile.....

[Frankie]

easy.....you have a CMR tune for the 1/4 mile.....

I tend to agree...Its the only thing that makes sense!

I had that tool kit, 2 80can coolers full with beer and ice, a grill, that football toss game, food, 2 bag chairs, her and me! LOL

[Frankie]

a passenger (I think she weighed like 90 lbs. LOL),

I think 85ish to be honest! :thumbsup:

[Frankie]

Something else is in the Engine that Frankie is hiding from you?

Nope, Havent installed anything else yet!

[Megatron]

Girl Passenger equals +20HP.

JK.

[Frankie]

Girl Passenger equals +20HP.

JK.

:lol::lol:

[pjs1965]

Girl Passenger equals +20HP.

JK.

LMAO. That's priceless, rep points for sure :D

[pjs1965]

BUMP and I am looking for an answer here. I am befuddled.

Ok Frankie and I met up yesterday morning at Irfan's house and we load up the Jeeps with the stuff for the tailgating. He has about I guess maybe 60 pounds of stuff and I have like 20. LOL. Anyways we are on I-95 and we decide to go from a roll. I guess we were going 75 mph maybe. The usual 3 honk and we are off. HE WALKED ME TWICE with ease. I had it in 3rd and ESP OFF and no Tow/Haul. I don't know what gear and/or button Frankie had the Jeep in. Can someone please explain how someone with SRT wheels, 60 pounds of shit, a passenger (I think she weighed like 90 lbs. LOL), and he is 85 pounds heavier than me, walk me like that? How the **** is that possible?


Discuss.

It's the RIMs -- anytime you put anything SRT on your Jeep it's faster by default :) [except for badges/stickers, those don't count]

So the question I have is what is the difference between your Jeeps? Same CAI? Same exhaust setup? Tunes? Same year/model?

We know wheels+tires are different so that's something to look into. I don't believe the SRT rims+tires weigh less than stock since they are bigger but it may have an affect on running from a roll. Possible change the overall diameter and therefore affect the gearing? [this is an interesting idea here...]

It's too early in the AM to really think clearly but those are the first thoughts I have.

Discuss some more.

[Robert Palmer]

Same CAI, different exhaust (He has a dual exhaust setup with no muffler and only the resos), different tunes (I have a MHP CMR and he has a DCX Depot CMR) and he has the SRT rims. But I swear those SRT rims are heavier. Escape posted the weight and I forgot where he posted them.

There is no reason that he should kick my ass like that. LOL

[Frankie]

I still think you have a "track" tune!

[Robert Palmer]

I still think you have a "track" tune!

I am starting to think so but I look at it this way, I'm killing it at the track with these numbers.

[FlyinRyan]

If you two had means of datalogging , that would help answer this question...

I've got a little somethin somethin' in store for Frankie.....:-D

[Robert Palmer]

I have a datalog of a highway run.

[Frankie]

If you two had means of datalogging , that would help answer this question...

I've got a little somethin somethin' in store for Frankie.....:-D

We both can data log with the Predator and the Dash Hawk!

I CANT WAIT!!!! :) :cool: :thumbsup:

[FlyinRyan]

No, I meant datalogging via both the DSP (knock, fuel trims) and AFR off a wideband....

[tman4024]

Just want to double check, but I'm taking my Jeep to the dealer in the next week to have them check the knocking I've been hearing at idle.

I hooked up the diablo, went to the tune section and restored the factory tune. I just want to make sure I don't need to do anything else since with the CMR I had to upload my original stock to my computer to send away. Wouldn't want the dealer knowing about my diablo/cmr tunes :)

[FlyinRyan]

Just want to double check, but I'm taking my Jeep to the dealer in the next week to have them check the knocking I've been hearing at idle.

I hooked up the diablo, went to the tune section and restored the factory tune. I just want to make sure I don't need to do anything else since with the CMR I had to upload my original stock to my computer to send away. Wouldn't want the dealer knowing about my diablo/cmr tunes :)

is it a tick or a knock?

[tman4024]

is it a tick or a knock?


um define tick and knock


When idling I hear a repetitive noise not sure how else to explain it..

[Scottina06]

Just want to double check, but I'm taking my Jeep to the dealer in the next week to have them check the knocking I've been hearing at idle.

I hooked up the diablo, went to the tune section and restored the factory tune. I just want to make sure I don't need to do anything else since with the CMR I had to upload my original stock to my computer to send away. Wouldn't want the dealer knowing about my diablo/cmr tunes :)


the knocking/tapping your hearing at idle is the fuel injection system......the injectors makes noise

[tman4024]

It's new though, started happening a few weeks ago

[Scottina06]

you are just hearing it would be my guess. I heard the same thing on my Jeep. I narrowed it down using one of my wifes stethescopes......everytime the injector fires....or whatever you call it...I got the tap.

[Scottina06]

Frankie has the same tap by the way. maybe try some injector cleaner...but i think its pretty normal.

[Robert Palmer]

the knocking/tapping your hearing at idle is the fuel injection system......the injectors makes noise

Yessir. Same thing with the 6.1 also.

[FlyinRyan]

um define tick and knock


When idling I hear a repetitive noise not sure how else to explain it..

Hemi's have a tendency to tick, for a variety of reasons

[tman4024]

I hooked up the diablo, went to the tune section and restored the factory tune. I just want to make sure I don't need to do anything else since with the CMR I had to upload my original stock to my computer to send away. Wouldn't want the dealer knowing about my diablo/cmr tunes :)

Can anyone confirm this is all i need to do.

[Scottina06]

thats all you need to do

[tman4024]

cool beans. thanks Scott

[Frankie]

Can anyone confirm this is all i need to do.

Confirmed! GL man! :thumbsup:

[tman4024]

Took the tune out last night, and no knocking/ticking this morning. Maybe I'll do some data logging over the weekend and see if it could be something with my tune.