4.7 V8 friends---step in..lets talk performance

[Scottina06]

list mods and future performance mods-----

[dreamer1213]

Soooo...you start the thread...but you don't list yours?? LOL!! You're such a tease!

I'll go first:

Right now, only thing does is:

K&N 57 FIPK
Flowmaster Super 40 True Duals

Future mods, may be...

SuperChips tuner
70mm throttle body
A little more drop...may be...lol!
Cam - if I can find some thats not a fortune.
*Whishes* for a good used KB supercharger.. ;)

Can't think of any others right off the top of my head...first and foremost would be the tuner...but we'll see... ;)

[heehawbus]

Current:
K&N Drop in
Flowmaster Delta 40
Runs on royal purple, not that it matters but my milage has gone up surprisingly

Future:
K&N 57, with full surround..
magaflow or dynomax cat,
pre cat delete
dual cutouts
mopar pcm flash, but now i cant find much info on this...
oh, and a tune up, im about due.. lol

[mjl2610]

Current: Afe stage 2 pro-dry s and dynomax super turbo muffler

Possible future: superchips flash reprogram

[robpp]

Current installed:

K&N 63 w/Drycharger
MagnaFlow Cat Back
SuperChips 91 tune
PowerWire

Near Future:

Ported TB by Fastman
08 Intake Manifold

Distant future:

Cam
Heads if I can find some

[SoCalMoparWK]

Now: check my signature, lol.

Future:
SRT Bilstein Shocks
Bwoody SRT Lowering Springs
SRT Rear Sway Bar
Triple A-Pillar Gauge Pods
All Infinity sound System
20" Black w/ red lip Viper Rims
Custom Black Headlight Housing
Halo Fog lights
AirRam Cams
AirRam Intake Manifold
AirRam Throttle body
SRT Front Bumper
SRT Side skirts
SRT Grill
Switch out cloth interior to leather
and finally a new paint job w/ roof painter Black.

I thinks thats it for now.

I told you Ryan, I am going for 1st place next year @ the Mopar Only Car Show, hehehehe.

[Scottina06]

dudes...sorry for no updates...been busy with the new site. I love the intake. I painted it inferno red to match,.....looks sick. I have a bunch of engine mods installed now that I will unveil soon. I'm just waiting on the final piece(TB...LOL)

heres a sneak peak...
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt209/scottina06WK/scottina06wk2/08manifinal003.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt209/scottina06WK/scottina06wk2/08manifinal004.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt209/scottina06WK/scottina06wk2/08manifinal005.jpg

[sousa]

Mine are small.

AFE CAI. (Only one on an 08 I believe.)
Magnaflow full exhaust.

[heehawbus]

that paint looks tasty Scott... id like to see some headers for the 4.7L, theres got to be some way we can make some fit!!

[NHWK05]

Custom Exhaust, done.
Royal Purple 5w30 full synthetic, done
next
K&N series 77 Air intake.
Performance chip.. Maybe
i dunno what else.

[heehawbus]

K&N series 77 Air intake.

get the 57 series instead, the plastic insulates from the engine heat better.. what the point of a CAI when it runs through a hot ass metal pipe

[dreamer1213]

I agree with Andy Scott...that Inferno paint looks delicious.... :D Can't wait for this HUGE unveiling!! ;)

[NHWK05]

get the 57 series instead, the plastic insulates from the engine heat better.. what the point of a CAI when it runs through a hot ass metal pipe


BUT I WANT THE BLING!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is a very good point i did not think about. I will have to look in to it closer when i am ready to buy one but thats not gonna be for a while.

[AcidCold]

I wonder if a ported and polished throttle body will work with the Superchips since they don't recommend it..

[Scottina06]

get the 08 intake manifold with the ported TB

[AcidCold]

I will once i read about your experience! :D

[heehawbus]

BUT I WANT THE BLING!!!!!!!!!!!!
but why spend $200 to make your truck slower?!? haha

[baronvonhavok]

now:
K&N 57 Series

future:
kolak exhaust
sway bars
maybe a lowering kit
pulley if i can find one
and then eventually all the expensive stuff like cams and valves and what not

[Scottina06]

the 08 intake mani will fit the WJ 4.7 as well guys......

[heehawbus]

the 08 intake mani will fit the WJ 4.7 as well guys......

:eek::eek::eek: NICE.. add H.O. cams and the 08 mani to my list theN:D

[Scottina06]

add intake/exhuast sprinsgs to that too....LOL

[heehawbus]

for sure..

[blown-wk]

I've got a set of 4.7 cams from my old jeep that I will sell. You can have them reground to your specs for substantially less than you can buy a set of KRC's or equivalent. I had KRC 206 cams in mine and they were quite expensive. I might have the heavy duty valve springs and lash caps to go with it if I can find them.

[scjeep4.7HO]

I have a few things in the works.

[Scottina06]

yeah man....post away!

[heehawbus]

I've got a set of 4.7 cams from my old jeep that I will sell. You can have them reground to your specs for substantially less than you can buy a set of KRC's or equivalent. I had KRC 206 cams in mine and they were quite expensive. I might have the heavy duty valve springs and lash caps to go with it if I can find them.

tempting tempting.. are they from the HO? why would i need to re grind them then? j/w

[dreamer1213]

They are from a regular 4.7 non HO Andrew...same as yours...thats why they would have to be re-ground...

[NHWK05]

Oh how i wish i had the HO 4.7. Boo

[Scottina06]

get the cams and i/e springs and you pretty much have the HO 4.7. The cams and springs are less than $350 new

[NHWK05]

Still money i dont have. i should have just bought the 07 I looked at with the HO But i was too cheap and wanted to save the extra 4 grand.

[Scottina06]

07's didnt have the HO....HO's were built from 02-04.

[NHWK05]

07's didnt have the HO....HO's were built from 02-04.

Oh, I was under the impression that the HO came in the 07 to 08 or 09 Wk.

I almost bought an 04 overland with the HO but they sold it out from under me.

[Scottina06]

the 4.7 was redesigned for model year 08.....but it was not called the HO 4.7. Even though it is 305 ponies

[NHWK05]

Wow, thats alot better then my what, 235 hp? Boo

[Scottina06]

yeah....much more powerful

[NHWK05]

:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Scottina06]

airram has a sullivan intake manifold and adapters available now as well

[heehawbus]

get the cams and i/e springs and you pretty much have the HO 4.7. The cams and springs are less than $350 new

sweeeett

[AIR_RAM]

Lets see....

2002 4.7L Quad CAB 1500 4.7L ---> ALL NA (9.49 1/8 mile 14.99 1/4 mile Race weight 5000lbs.)



2008 INTAKE
212 CAMS
RACE PORTED HEADS
F&B 72MM THROTTLE BODY
SCT CUSTOM TUNE
SPECTRE FILTRATION SYSTEM
FLEX-A-LITE 180 ELECTRIC FAN
JBA HEADERS
2.5" PRIMARIES into HIGH FLOW 3" Y pipe.
3" HIGH FLOW CAT AND 3" SI/SO HIGH FLOW MAGNAFLOW MUFFLER
4.56 GEARS
ASP UNDERDRIVE PULLEY
FRAM HP-1 RACE FILTER
MOBILE 1 FULL SYNTHETIC


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[Scottina06]

Nice Nick! I wish you would post more....LOL. I want to know more about those JBA headers and how i could convert them to my WK

[AIR_RAM]

Nice Nick! I wish you would post more....LOL. I want to know more about those JBA headers and how i could convert them to my WK

Yeah ... but there are soo many sites I need to visit... LOL... I make an effort to visit JGO more often.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[Scottina06]

we are the best Jeep forum though...the other forum is DEAD----LOL

[NHWK05]

JeepForum and JeepsUnlimited suck.

[mzh29]

JeepForum and JeepsUnlimited suck.

I used to be a supporting member of the jeepforum when i had my wrangler. It's a great site if you like to go offroading, anything else gets BASHED!

Back on topic, I can't wait to order my flashpaq, all i've been doing the past couple days is reading online reviews, i have found maybe one or two negative reviews. Nick how long do you think it would take if I ordered mine next monday? Shipping to maryland.

[NHWK05]

I dont like Jeepforum because they are all a bunch of idiots that think they know everything. OMG I NEED a 10 INCH LIFT FOR 33 INCH TIRES. I come from a club based on big tires and low center of gravity. those guys on JF just piss me off.

[Scottina06]

I've never had any problems on JU or JF. i think most of them are pretty good fellas

[Cyanide]

Not a 4.7L but.......

Must admit that JU was the first forum I joined after getting my ZJ. I cannot deny though, it allowed me to meet quite a few good individuals and obtain some very good info about all models of our beloved Grand Cherokee. And I still browse through there occasionally to refresh the old memory concerning maintenance and a couple of performance mods for the older dinosaur ZJ like mine lol. However, I also tire of the attitude that "A Jeep is supposed to be lifted and have huge knobby tires and be taken off-road and have the schitt beat out of it". Different strokes for different folks, and I love how we can kick back on here and shoot the breeze about things, especially if it goes a little off-topic, and just all in all have a good time. But best of all, we can bs and trade performance ideas and know that we are in our realm!

THANK YOU JEEP GARAGE!!!

:thumbsup: (Sorry for the interruption)

[NHWK05]

Jeeps Unlimited was not that bad, but i cant stand JF.

[mzh29]

So the moral of the story is, Jeep Garage is great.

[NHWK05]

So the moral of the story is, Jeep Garage is great.


Exactly!

[AcidCold]

I think i am the only lifted guy here! LOL
To be honest, i love wheeling but i hate the damage and the fact that i have replaced my entire IFS system, radiator, 3 exhaust's, 2 brake lines, mopar skid plates, 2 door lites, and plenty of rock damage, not to mention having it towed 3 hrs away!
I don't plan on wheeling it anymore and hoping to repair and rebuilt everything back to spec. I will officially be a street machine with sexy 33's! Lol
Love this forum!

[Scottina06]

awesome man....but even if you were still gonna wheel it...you are welcome here!

[Robert Palmer]

Glad you are loving this forum bro!

[AIR_RAM]

Back on topic... We have been working with ATI to bring the first ever 4.7L performance Harmonic balancer/damper to the 4.7L community. You will see a performance damper on EVERY performance race engine built... for good reason. They protect the engine from ripping itself apart.

The crankshaft is the part of the engine that converts the up and down motion of the pistons and connecting rods during the combustion cycle into rotary motion that spins the transmission and the vehicle’s drive wheels. Every time a cylinder fires, the force twists the crankshaft. When the cylinder stops firing the force ceases to act and the crankshaft starts to return to the untwisted position. However, the crankshaft will overshoot and begin to twist in the opposite direction, and then back again. Eventually the crankshaft will experience torsional vibration which can cause it to fail after some time.
In order to keep this problem from occurring, installing a harmonic balancer for your vehicle is necessary.


We where able to strike a deal with ATI and bring the first ever high performance underdrive pulley. for the 4.7L engine...



http://www.airram.com/productphotos/large/3080.jpg

(http://www.airram.com/groupbuy.php?key=ncbv)


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[NHWK05]

I think i am the only lifted guy here! LOL
To be honest, i love wheeling but i hate the damage and the fact that i have replaced my entire IFS system, radiator, 3 exhaust's, 2 brake lines, mopar skid plates, 2 door lites, and plenty of rock damage, not to mention having it towed 3 hrs away!
I don't plan on wheeling it anymore and hoping to repair and rebuilt everything back to spec. I will officially be a street machine with sexy 33's! Lol
Love this forum!


Trust me, i felt like a fish out of water at first. I bought this WK just after selling my X on 35s, check out the other rides section.

[NHWK05]

How is the install of this? Not the removing of the old one so much as the reinstall of this and setting it up properly, vs reinstalling a stock unit.


Back on topic... We have been working with ATI to bring the first ever 4.7L performance Harmonic balancer/damper to the 4.7L community. You will see a performance damper on EVERY performance race engine built... for good reason. They protect the engine from ripping itself apart.

The crankshaft is the part of the engine that converts the up and down motion of the pistons and connecting rods during the combustion cycle into rotary motion that spins the transmission and the vehicle’s drive wheels. Every time a cylinder fires, the force twists the crankshaft. When the cylinder stops firing the force ceases to act and the crankshaft starts to return to the untwisted position. However, the crankshaft will overshoot and begin to twist in the opposite direction, and then back again. Eventually the crankshaft will experience torsional vibration which can cause it to fail after some time.
In order to keep this problem from occurring, installing a harmonic balancer for your vehicle is necessary.


We where able to strike a deal with ATI and bring the first ever high performance underdrive pulley. for the 4.7L engine...



http://www.airram.com/productphotos/large/3080.jpg

(http://www.airram.com/groupbuy.php?key=ncbv)


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[Scottina06]

only problem i see is it will be tight when removing/installing. That and the belt size....

[AIR_RAM]

You may need to remove the radiator... That's not such a big job... at least it should not be. I know it takes about 15-20minutes to remove the radiator on my 2002 Ram... there is not much too it at all.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[NJWJ]

I do not know how many 4.7 Jeep owners have done this mod yet (I know of some Dodge owners that have) but I recently got the 2008 intake manifold and TBA adapters from Air Ram... can't wait to get this thing on my Jeep and get it tuned. Spent a good portion of the weekend painting it midnight blue to match my exterior - hat tip to Scottina06 for some helpful advice and my dad for his help (he's literally a pro at this sort of stuff) - but it came out amazing, I don't even think these pics do it justice (a little bit too bright outside where I took some of them, the metallic effects are a little washed out):

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/luckavalier/IMG_0409.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/luckavalier/IMG_0407.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/luckavalier/IMG_0406.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/luckavalier/IMG_0408.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/luckavalier/IMG_0405.jpg

Can't wait to get this installed / tuned / etc...

[NHWK05]

There is a bung on the back of it that will hit the PCV valve i think. Scott tried to do it can could not get it to fit even after trimming it.

[Martyp]

Very nice, great job with the painting bro!

That intake is definitely on my list of 'mods to do'. :thumbsup:

EDIT:

There is a bung on the back of it that will hit the PCV valve i think. Scott tried to do it can could not get it to fit even after trimming it.

I thought this only affected the '06 models?

[AIR_RAM]

There is a bung on the back of it that will hit the PCV valve i think. Scott tried to do it can could not get it to fit even after trimming it.

In that case there are two options... either modify the EGR to fit with the intake or delete it. To delete it you will need an EGR block off plate and SCT tuning.

Im willing to bet that you could modify it by relocating the EGR and then run a solid brass (HOME DEPOT PLUMING) line from the EGR port hope to the new EGR location.


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[Scottina06]

the EGR on my Jeep doesnt go in that bung....its the larger bung on top.

---------- Post added at 07:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:14 PM ----------

there is a new true CAI intake coming soon for the Jeep 05-09 4.7.....see the MHP vendor forum and Bwoody forum

[NHWK05]

In that case there are two options... either modify the EGR to fit with the intake or delete it. To delete it you will need an EGR block off plate and SCT tuning.

Im willing to bet that you could modify it by relocating the EGR and then run a solid brass (HOME DEPOT PLUMING) line from the EGR port hope to the new EGR location.


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM


Glad to hear it can be done, i deff want to do this one day.

And its all years, not just the 06. my 05 is the same way.

[FlyinRyan]

From what I've seen, the best bang-for-the-buck mods are doing a 3" single high-flow exhaust from the Y-pipe back, and porting the TB. On a dyno, I'm guessing the TB wouldn't make an earth-shattering difference, but in terms of throttle response, and overall drivability, the change was very noticeable.

I went to a hi flow catted 2.5" Magnaflow exhaust to a 3" catted Magnaflow exhaust, my 1/4 times (even when correcting both times for that day's specific weather) saw a .35 sec reduction. This is in a full weight 4.7 non-HO WJ 4x4 with 31's and a small lift, STOCK tune, with just a CAI at the time as the only other performance mod.

Due to other issues, I haven't tested the other changes I've made to my setup, but I'm gunning for 14's on stock cams, stock stall, 31's and a lift, and pump gas.

One other thing to note, I am a very big believer in the '08 manifold and the adapters, I am very much looking forward to getting mine when the time is right.

[4.7v8wk007]

bump...lets chat

[FlyinRyan]

bump...lets chat

What is it that you're looking to find out about?

BTW, welcome to the forum.

[mzh29]

Sooo, does the 08 manifold fit?

Could someone post a pic of what is preventing it from fitting?

[Scottina06]

if you do an EGR delete...it will fit. I have some pics I will post in a few

[Scottina06]

this is the problem...circled in red for the 05-07 WK 4.7
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt209/scottina06WK/71209haha022-1.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt209/scottina06WK/71209haha023-1.jpg

[mzh29]

Ahh, I see, that sucks. Dumb question but what does EGR stand for/what does it do?

[mzh29]

So SCT now makes a programmer for us? Is it better than superchips?

[Scottina06]

No idea Matt. Someones gonna have to try it.

[scjeep4.7HO]

EGR stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve or system depending on your setup.

And it's purpose is to help clean up emissions for the most part.

[Scottina06]

egr stands for exhaust gas recirculation....its a valve that allows exhaust gas back into the manifold and actually has a cooling effect. It also helps to burn off bad stuff so its not emmited into the atmosphere

[mzh29]

Ahh, I see, thanks for the info guys.

[baronvonhavok]

do the 4.7Ls in the WJs have the same problem with the EGR?

[Scottina06]

do the 4.7Ls in the WJs have the same problem with the EGR?

I was told no.....but I was alos told the 08 manifold fit on an 06

[scjeep4.7HO]

No in the WJ our EGR is basically just a crossover tube from head to head and to the intake box. I think i may just plug mine and be done with it.

[baronvonhavok]

how bad is it if you don't have the EGR connected? or plugged?

[AIR_RAM]

I was told no.....but I was alos told the 08 manifold fit on an 06

But now we are able to remedy that issue with SCT. At the time there was no reason for us to beleive it would not fit your application... you where the first to learn of the EGR issue.

Since then our SCT tuner had effectively removed his EGR off his 2006 4.7L Ram and Installed a block off plate in place of it & turned the EGR off useing SCT. So you can run the 2008 intake on the 2006 4.7L... You will need our SCT custom tune in order to turn it off... although an added expense... The SCT will make power where no other tuner can.

We have learned over the last few months that the 2008 intake increases air flow so dramatically @ WOT that the factory PCM can not adjust for it. The 2008 intake tends to run real lean at WOT. The 2008 intake is a mod that will require custom tuning in order to richen up the AFR bringing them down to a safer level. So if you go with the 2008 intake, you need to know this mod moves MORE air and will need an SCT tune to make use of that air... it all adds up to more HP in the end.

How fast do you want to go?

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[scjeep4.7HO]

From what I can tell on my 04 4.7HO, it does not have any egr valve to control anything with the EGR it is just a port on both heads that constantly feed exhaust into the intake, so without any computer control to interfere with, plugginmg it should not have any negative affect.