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This thread will display the progression of my stereo endeavors with my WK.
The Victim: 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 HEMI 4x2
First round of equipment (active managed):
• Processing: Pioneer DEH-P880PRS
• Amplification: Kicker 700.5
• Tweeters: PG RSd
• Mid-Bass: Image Dynamics OEM 6.5"
• Sub-Bass: AA Assassin 12”
Second round of equipment (active managed):
• Processing: Pioneer DEH-P880PRS
• Amplification: Kicker 700.5
• Tweeters/Mid-range: Dayton RS100
• Mid-Bass: Image Dynamics OEM 6.5"
• Sub-Bass: AA Assassin 12”
Third round of equipment (passively managed):
• Processing: Factory RAQ Reciever
• Amplification: Kicker 700.5
• Dash speakers: Kicker KS350
• Front door speakers: Kicker KS690
• Rear door speakers: Kicker KS650
• Sub Woofer: Kicker CVR 10
SYSTEM #1
Pioneer 880
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Power wire - techflexed
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Labeled wiring harnesses
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Amplifier location
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PG RSd tweeter/harness
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Image Dynamics OEM 6.5 – Mounting baffles
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Power/ground
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Speaker wire harnesses
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Together
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Amplifier/Wiring
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False floor cover to house a push/pull exhaust system – never completed
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AA Assassin 12” – 1.25 cu ft^3 sealed enclosure
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SYSTEM #2
Dayton RS100 temporary mounting housings – never finished/glassed in
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SYSTEM #3
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High level input harnesses from factory Boston Acoustic amplifier to Kicker 700.5
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More wiring
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Kicker CVR 10 enclosure construction – mounting bracket
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The rest of the speakers
Dash
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Front door
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Rear door
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Final tuning with current equipment
Factory RAQ unit set flat (bass: 0, mid: 0, treb: 0, fade/balance: 0), volume set at "20" - this is where my gains will be set. Staging and tonal balance is very nice! I may tweak some of the RAQ settings (slightly), but for no EQ or any other DSP features I am quite impressed! Here is the breakdown of each driver in the vehicle:
Driver: Polarity - Filtration - Power/gain % approximation
Left Dash Speaker: Reverse - HPF: 200hz - 100w/20%
Right Dash Speaker: Reverse - HPF: 200hz - 100w/20%
Left Fr Door Speaker: Normal - HPF: 80hz - 100w/15%
Right Fr Door Speaker: Normal - HPF: 80hz - 100w/15%
Rears: Normal (untouched) - Full range - factory (volume set @ 20 units)
Sub Woofer: Reverse - LPF: 60hz - 515w/30%
Scottina06
05-30-2009, 01:32 PM
thanks Matty!
thanks Matty!
No problem Scott! I still want to get some audio write ups going... just a slow process with classes going on right now... in due time. :)
SoCalMoparWK
06-05-2009, 09:56 PM
Cuuul Maan!!
LTrainGC
06-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Awesome stuff... do you live in Avalon Park - in what looks to be Avalon Lakes? I used to live with a friend of mine that bought a house back there from 2005-2007.
mandan007
06-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Wow! You're serious for sound. Awesome!
Cuuul Maan!!
Thanks man!!
Awesome stuff... do you live in Avalon Park - in what looks to be Avalon Lakes? I used to live with a friend of mine that bought a house back there from 2005-2007.
Yeah, nice guess man! WOW! I'm in Avalon Lakes right across from the pool/b-ball courts.
Wow! You're serious for sound. Awesome!
haha yeah. Once I'm done with school and get a well-paying job I'm probably going to do a pretty serious sound quality system. ugh - that means more work, lol.
LTrainGC
06-06-2009, 03:59 PM
Yeah, nice guess man! WOW! I'm in Avalon Lakes right across from the pool/b-ball courts.
Hahah no joke... my friend still owns the house - it is on Sapphire Bay Circle - which is right behind the pool/b-bal courts.
Hahah no joke... my friend still owns the house - it is on Sapphire Bay Circle - which is right behind the pool/b-bal courts.
Damn, that's crazy... I still can't believe you guessed my neighborhood. :eek:
LTrainGC
06-06-2009, 04:17 PM
Damn, that's crazy... I still can't believe you guessed my neighborhood. :eek:
Hahaha, that house to the right of yours that you can see in one of the pics - it looks exactly like the one we lived in. Everything back there looks the same.
Hahaha, that house to the right of yours that you can see in one of the pics - it looks exactly like the one we lived in. Everything back there looks the same.
haha, yep... cookie cutter houses.
TeamCherokee06
06-08-2009, 09:24 AM
I think I wanna do almost the exact same set-up,it looks so clean and well buildt...I am coming to Florida so you can help me lol :)
I think I wanna do almost the exact same set-up,it looks so clean and well buildt...I am coming to Florida so you can help me lol :)
haha, my services are always available for JG members. :thumbsup:
But yeah, that was my main goal: clean and simple. I wanted it to look as factory as possible and not loose a lot of space in the cargo area. Using a slanted back for the enclosure to cover the negative space back there was really helpful.
Thanks for the positive remarks John!!
If there is enough interest I can get enclosure specs (dimensions, angles, etc) and maybe mail out templates for the curved pieces that sit flush on the sides.
B.P.O.D
06-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Templates!!!!!
Templates!!!!!
Yeah, I figured this would be the response, lol.
White WK Swagga
06-08-2009, 10:43 AM
That is some sick fawking setup!!! It pays to take the time to do custome work. I'm sure it sounds sweet...
B.P.O.D
06-08-2009, 11:58 AM
waiting matt!!!! TEMPLATES!!!!
That is some sick fawking setup!!! It pays to take the time to do custome work. I'm sure it sounds sweet...
Thanks man!! :)
waiting matt!!!! TEMPLATES!!!!
haha, I'm going to have some down time in about 3 weeks - with that time I'd like to get a how-to add a sub/amp to the factory stereo and an enclosure dimension/template PDF. In due time. :thumbsup:
Karpe
06-09-2009, 10:38 AM
I'll definitely want some templates!
Did you do the Big 3 upgrade?
I'll definitely want some templates!
Did you do the Big 3 upgrade?
Give me a few weeks and I'll get full enclosure specs and templates for you guys.
Never did the Big 3 - planned to, but never got around to it... never really needed to either, but it can only help and I have extra 4 gauge laying around.
Man, I've been all over DIYMA reading this last few days, lol. Don't be surprised if I start up another active system in the next month or so, haha. I blame you for that Andy!!!
dodgeman324
06-10-2009, 10:35 AM
Hey, very nice sound setup and wiring jobs. I have to ask if you've ran into any cooling issues with the amp, being that it is enclosed in a nearly air-tight spot? I would think it gets very toasty in there which can lead to failure over short time. Just a thought and curiosity.
Hey, very nice sound setup and wiring jobs. I have to ask if you've ran into any cooling issues with the amp, being that it is enclosed in a nearly air-tight spot? I would think it gets very toasty in there which can lead to failure over short time. Just a thought and curiosity.
Thanks Brandon!
I haven't had any issues with heat (yet - crosses fingers). I live in the middle of Florida and have gone on 2-3 hour drives beating the hell out of my stereo and checked to see how hot she got and it wasn't that bad.
When I was doing my research on it (over on DIYMA) I found that many well respected members are on the side that car electronics are made to be installed in high temp situations and they are built to handle the riggers of the mobile environment. To do a proper/effective ventilation/cooling system is a lot more work than slapping some CPU fans in there and calling it a day. There was way more science behind it than I willing to study and just sort of scrapped the whole idea.
LTrainGC
06-12-2009, 02:06 PM
I really want to build a box like that so I can free up more space in my cargo area. This is my setup now:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/ltrain300d/D60%20Pics/Jeep/Pics030.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/ltrain300d/D60%20Pics/Jeep/Pics032.jpg
Would you mind sending me the measurements of your box?
Chris
06-12-2009, 02:14 PM
haha, my services are always available for JG members. :thumbsup:
If there is enough interest I can get enclosure specs (dimensions, angles, etc) and maybe mail out templates for the curved pieces that sit flush on the sides.
Dude, that would kick some ASS if you did that. Seriously!
I really want to build a box like that so I can free up more space in my cargo area. This is my setup now:
For real man, that was a huge concern of mine (losing cargo space). I feel like I lost nothing with this and i like the fact that it looks like it belongs there.
Would you mind sending me the measurements of your box?
Dude, that would kick some ASS if you did that. Seriously!
I will definitely do a really nice Google Sketch-Up drawing with dimensions angles and whatnot. I'll see if I can tweak it to be able to accompany a 12" driver as well. The only concern with this enclosure is mounting depth. I believe I had 6 inches or so to work with. Give me a few weeks to get it going though.
LTrainGC
06-12-2009, 03:40 PM
For real man, that was a huge concern of mine (losing cargo space). I feel like I lost nothing with this and i like the fact that it looks like it belongs there.
I will definitely do a really nice Google Sketch-Up drawing with dimensions angles and whatnot. I'll see if I can tweak it to be able to accompany a 12" driver as well. The only concern with this enclosure is mounting depth. I believe I had 6 inches or so to work with. Give me a few weeks to get it going though.
Ohhh yeah... I was looking at it again and mounting depth became a concern. And I didn't realize that was a 10" lol. Hopefully I can make it work somehow!
And no rush... I wouldn't be starting this project until later in July anyway!
Ohhh yeah... I was looking at it again and mounting depth became a concern. And I didn't realize that was a 10" lol. Hopefully I can make it work somehow!
And no rush... I wouldn't be starting this project until later in July anyway!
Extending the enclosure wouldn't be that difficult to do, just adding inches to four of the faces. The only thing that sucks about that is you lose the ability to access the cargo tray without removing the enclosure.
I'm also pretty confident that you could squeeze an enclosure under the pullover cover thingy that could house a 12" driver.
Ahh! I miss my old 12... paper cone FTW!
Chris
06-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Im debating on whether to go with the single 12 like I wanted, or try for two 10's now.. You think the box size you have would be ok for 2 10's dude?
Im debating on whether to go with the single 12 like I wanted, or try for two 10's now.. You think the box size you have would be ok for 2 10's dude?
It entirely depends on the sub Chris. Some 10's are good with .3 ft^3 others need 3 ft^3. I think I'm going to convert to 2 10's next go around. I'll just modify my current enclosure to house them.
Chris
06-16-2009, 07:02 PM
So if I were to get your plans later on, but modify the front for 2 subs, the room should be ok for say, 2 cvr's? do you know exactly how much cubic space your box is?
So if I were to get your plans later on, but modify the front for 2 subs, the room should be ok for say, 2 cvr's? do you know exactly how much cubic space your box is?
Definitely not two CVR's. I modeled quite a few Kicker subs and they all want a large enclosures.
I might got with a pair of these pups...
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-462
They are perfect in .6-.7 ft^3 tuned to 28-30hz. I just need to figure out how I'm going to fit a port in this thing, lol.
Karpe
06-17-2009, 08:26 AM
How long are your RCA's I dont know what length to buy
How long are your RCA's I dont know what length to buy
I'd say 12-15 feet.
LTrainGC
06-18-2009, 01:02 PM
Yeah I think I got 15' RCA's and I've got maybe a foot of slack.
LOL, I just checked... I bought 25' RCA's. haha, I have a shit ton of slack! I'd go 15' Andy. Or just make your own.
LTrainGC
06-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Oops I just checked mine too and I have 20' RCA's.
I got this:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_575RFK4X/Rockford-Fosgate-RFK4X.html?tp=2919
But I paid like $60 on ebay.
I've got these... word of advice: do not get these, they are bulky as hell - and snaking 3 sets of them throughout the Jeep was a huge pain in the ass. Andy, find slim RCA's as you will also be needing 3 sets.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021803&p_id=2866&seq=1&format=2
As promised... here's a JG link to full enclosure specs/dimensions...
http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?t=1033
psycojeep
06-29-2009, 02:16 PM
Hey Matt,
Thnat is a nice build. How easy is the box removed?
Hey Matt,
Thnat is a nice build. How easy is the box removed?
Very; 3 screws, un-plug the banana plug (speaker wire terminals) - can be done in about minute.
The Matthew
07-01-2009, 12:30 PM
Hey Matt can you tell me where you got your in-dash receiver kit. I cant seam to find one like yours.
Hey Matt can you tell me where you got your in-dash receiver kit. I cant seam to find one like yours.
I got it at Circuit City (LOL) - it's the Metra kit. $20 bucks. You can find it anywhere online, not sure who sells Metra locally. Maybe an audio shop... I think Best Buy sells American International or something like that.
The Matthew
07-01-2009, 01:49 PM
thanks I could not find the right one that fits the nobs and also has the dual slots for cd's and such.
thanks I could not find the right one that fits the nobs and also has the dual slots for cd's and such.
Yeah, I actually flipped the slots, so I would have the open slot on top (I planned on making some sort of navigation mount for my Garmin). All I had to do was trim two little guidance tabs.
Karpe
07-01-2009, 09:44 PM
Hey Matt,
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna run these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_12278_JL+Audio+XB-BLUAIC4-18.html
You said I need 3 sets? Do I need one set per driver size? I just assumed I needed 1 set per Amp...
What exactlky did you use to calculate your box configuration? I tried winISD, and Unibox and I have no idea what the hell I'm doing lol. I'm gonna go in a slightly different direction than yours so I need different dimensions.
Hey Matt,
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna run these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_12278_JL+Audio+XB-BLUAIC4-18.html
You said I need 3 sets? Do I need one set per driver size? I just assumed I needed 1 set per Amp...
What exactlky did you use to calculate your box configuration? I tried winISD, and Unibox and I have no idea what the hell I'm doing lol. I'm gonna go in a slightly different direction than yours so I need different dimensions.
RCA's: Yes, you'll need 3 pairs total (one per driver set, so 1 for the Fostex, 1 for the Peerless, 1 for the Mag). So you can do that 4 channel RCA and then get a 2 channel RCA. Each pair of RCA's will transport their specific frequency range and other DSP features selected at the receiver.
Check out KnuKonceptz for RCA's and any other wiring, very solid products at fair prices. Check out the "Karma" RCA product line. Top notch stuff!
Enclosure: I used WinISD Beta. Don't use the fancy version of WinISD... it's far more complicated to achieve the same basic result. Honestly, I'd check out that thread over on DIYMA about the Mag. WinISD is great for playing with enclosure size and tuning frequencies, but the Mag is designed specifically for sealed alignments, so I'd just use the recommended enclosure by those on DIYMA and roll with that.
AcidCold
07-04-2009, 03:04 PM
That box looks awesome Matt! i might do something similar but the only problem would be me losing my spare tire.
Scottina06
07-04-2009, 09:06 PM
Matt-I'm gonna use this awesome thread in the next JG twitter update!
That box looks awesome Matt! i might do something similar but the only problem would be me losing my spare tire.
Thanks!
What kind of plan ya got (that would force you to lose your tire :eek: )...?
Matt-I'm gonna use this awesome thread in the next JG twitter update!
Woo! I just blushed a little :o, lol. I appreciate the notion though Scott, thanks! :)
Denny boy
07-23-2009, 10:26 AM
just downloaded the winisd beta and holy crap is that hard to figure out. You did an awesome job on the entire build. I'm going to build a new enclosure for my fifteen soon and then redo my entire audio setup. can't wait
What di you use to seal up your door panels?
just downloaded the winisd beta and holy crap is that hard to figure out.
haha, yeah it can be very intimidating at first, but just do some reading/researching about it (DIYMA is a great source) and you'll get the hang of it.
You did an awesome job on the entire build.
Thanks man! I really appreciate it.
I'm going to build a new enclosure for my fifteen soon and then redo my entire audio setup. can't wait
Awesome! Pics are a must (but you already knew that, lol).
What did you use to seal up your door panels?
Once I deadened the outer door skin, I sealed them up by using aluminum flashing (you can get very cheap at any hardware store). Then just deaden over that. Remember not to seal the holes at the bottom of the door... they are there to let rain seep out if it gets past the window sill.
Keep an eye out for Andy's build (username: Karpe) - he is going to be sealing/deadening the doors using the same method.
Denny boy
07-23-2009, 01:22 PM
Ok thanks bro!
Pac adapter, iPod AUX adapter
I installed the PAC iPac-CHY iPod interface adapter a month ago, but didn't like the fact that the iPod is always being charged and that the screen would stay lit even when the vehicle was shut off. This will greatly reduce the life of the Ipod and that just ain't cool with me. So, at the cost of losing steering wheel controls (and the charging feature). I decided to utilize the addition input that the CHY has and that is a basic left and right channel stereo input.
Supplies:
PAC iPac-CHY
KnuKonceptz Krystal Stereo Y-adapter Cable
Heat shrink
Techflex (expandable sleeving)
Having already installed the CHY, all I had to do was pull the CHY's stereo input, Techflex the Knu cable, connect the Knu cable, drill/dremel a whole in the AC interface panel, and slightly dremel (bore out) the hole in the iPods case for the Knu plug.
Pictures
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SruTOT9bSII/AAAAAAAAATg/Vw7-E534ScQ/s800/IMG_0006.JPG
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http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SruTTGUKMYI/AAAAAAAAATs/tN6JuJxfWew/s800/IMG_0009.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SruTV1jJ1WI/AAAAAAAAATw/9V5-uwM9Nzk/s800/IMG_0010.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SruTX1tFSOI/AAAAAAAAAT4/C-BU18y5Y9I/s800/IMG_0011.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SruTZavwfTI/AAAAAAAAAT8/WhTNdc57WNA/s800/IMG_0012.JPG
Simple enough!
Karpe
10-03-2009, 09:22 AM
SexFlex - lookin' good Matt!
99limited
10-03-2009, 09:41 AM
Matt, when i move to florida im gonna get ahold of you and have you make me an enclosure for my 2 12 inch Punch 1s. Ive never seen someone pay so much attention to detail while doing a stereo. AMAZING
SexFlex - lookin' good Matt!
haha, easily the best stuff ever!
Andy, how's the build coming along???
Matt, when i move to florida im gonna get ahold of you and have you make me an enclosure for my 2 12 inch Punch 1s. Ive never seen someone pay so much attention to detail while doing a stereo. AMAZING
haha, thanks man!! This is my niche here and I'm all about detail when it comes to anything stereo, lol, just the way I am. Thanks again for the compliment.
99limited
10-03-2009, 10:10 AM
haha, easily the best stuff ever!
Andy, how's the build coming along???
haha, thanks man!! This is my niche here and I'm all about detail when it comes to anything stereo, lol, just the way I am. Thanks again for the compliment.
Yeah man. i just posted my sub/amp in a thread i started. take a look bro!!
Karpe
10-03-2009, 11:19 AM
haha, easily the best stuff ever!
Andy, how's the build coming along???
School is kinda kickin' my ass right now, so I haven't had any down time to tend to the jeep. which sucks because I just hit 34K miles and need an oil change, plugs, brake pads, and fluid flushes badly but have no time or money.
And instead of installing what I already bought, I decided to sell the SLS 8's for some Seas 7" and the FR88's are going to be traded out for the H-audio Trinity's ( same driver but 4 ohm and different cone material).
actually I have to get around to selling those drivers. Anyone need Peerless SLS8's Fountek FR88's or Seas 27 TAFNC tweets?
School is kinda kickin' my ass right now, so I haven't had any down time to tend to the jeep. which sucks because I just hit 34K miles and need an oil change, plugs, brake pads, and fluid flushes badly but have no time or money.
And instead of installing what I already bought, I decided to sell the SLS 8's for some Seas 7" and the FR88's are going to be traded out for the H-audio Trinity's ( same driver but 4 ohm and different cone material).
actually I have to get around to selling those drivers. Anyone need Peerless SLS8's Fountek FR88's or Seas 27 TAFNC tweets?
Ah, I gotcha. Yeah I know the feeling, school sucks. :mad: and so does vehicle maintenance, lol.
Why did you sell the SLS's? I'm guessing mounting reasons...?
And those Trinity's look bad ass!! The FR plot is damn near perfect! Interested to see how those turn out.
Good luck once you get going on the install... just go slow and do a little whenever you get some time. That's what I did when I was in school.
Oh, as you know, those drivers will sell quickly over on DIYMA. ;)
Karpe
10-03-2009, 11:37 AM
SLS mounting depth was approx 4" and the depth from the door metal to the window when rolled down was 3" so I bought a 1" thick piece of HDPE to make baffles and I just didn't see it fitting with the door card on. So the Seas are 3" depth so I can get away with a much thinner baffle.
I haven't sold the drivers yet, and I really want to test them, but I need the money to buy the Trinity's. I keep getting cold feet about all of my gear and looking to upgrade when I haven't demo'd a single product. Right now I'm worried that my 9887 will be my weak link, but i should really worry about installing it first.
SLS mounting depth was approx 4" and the depth from the door metal to the window when rolled down was 3" so I bought a 1" thick piece of HDPE to make baffles and I just didn't see it fitting with the door card on. So the Seas are 3" depth so I can get away with a much thinner baffle.
I haven't sold the drivers yet, and I really want to test them, but I need the money to buy the Trinity's. I keep getting cold feet about all of my gear and looking to upgrade when I haven't demo'd a single product. Right now I'm worried that my 9887 will be my weak link, but i should really worry about installing it first.
Yeah, definitely get things installed before you second guess the equipment -- the equipment you have (or en route) is good stuff. Honestly, the 9887 will have all the processing to keep you happy for a long time. I second guessed myself too when I purchased the 880PRS, but man I was so happy with all the tuning options it had; more than enough to keep me busy and I still never completely got everything down.
I think you're going to love having that big wide band up top instead of a traditional tweeter - there is so much overlap as far as FR range between the mid and full-range, so many possibilities and trial and error to play with. That alone will keep you busy, lol.
gatesjr03
10-21-2009, 08:35 AM
amazing dude, i bet it sounds perfect.. good work dude- me next me next! where do i sign up ^_^
amazing dude, i bet it sounds perfect.. good work dude- me next me next! where do i sign up ^_^
haha, thanks Mark!
I've been doing some research the past few weeks - contemplating on going back to an active set-up... or at least using all new drivers. We'll see.
Karpe
10-21-2009, 09:32 PM
contemplating on going back to an active set-up
oh snap
oh snap
haha, getting the itch!
How's your build coming along Andy?
Karpe
10-25-2009, 05:51 PM
Instead of starting my build I'm going to SEMA... maybe late Nov i'll build
Instead of starting my build I'm going to SEMA... maybe late Nov i'll build
WTF! Send me your equipment and I'll put it in mine, LOL. But that's cool that you're going to SEMA - take pics!
By the way, I've been intensely doing some reading on DIYMA :D Looking to go active again soon.
Rough sketch of equipment I've got my eye on;
Processing
Alpine 9887
Pioneer 800PRS
Amplification
nothing yet, maybe PDX (150.4, 600.1), maybe Sundown. Haven't done any reading about this yet.
Front stage (wide-bands glassed in the corners of the dash, mids in the doors)
Tang Band W3-1354SA
Peerless 830986
Tang Band W4-1757SB
Fountek FR88
H-audio Trinity's
Peerless SLS 6.5
OEM v2/2.5
Sub stage
SI Mag.v2
Dayton HO 10"
I really want to try the 9887, but the non-ability to flip phase for all the drivers right at the head unit could be a deal breaker... that was such an awesome feature on the Pioneer. Having to do that manually over and over and over and over again would really suck!
But my searching has just started. Who knows what I'll come across in the next few weeks/months.
Karpe
10-27-2009, 04:49 PM
for the amps, I'd suggest the JL HD amps I see myself upgrading to these in the future because of their small size like the PDX's but with zero noise floor.
The Mag V2 I haven't seen much info on, got any good links? unless you mean the D2 but I dont think you do.
If you get the 9887, i'm sure I'll be asking you a ton of questions.
my gear as of now is 9887 >Sundown SAX4.100 & SAX2.100> H-Audio Trinity's & Seas CA18RNX & SI MagD2 V4
for the amps, I'd suggest the JL HD amps I see myself upgrading to these in the future because of their small size like the PDX's but with zero noise floor.
I was actually looking at the HD900/5, lol, what a coincidence.
I've got the JL HD's, Alpine PDX's, and the Eclipse XA/ZA's in my cross hairs at the moment.
The Mag V2 I haven't seen much info on, got any good links? unless you mean the D2 but I dont think you do.
I think you've got the Mag confused.. there are two versions. You have the v2 (which is dual 2 ohm) and that's also the one I' referring too. I'm pretty certain I want to glass the enclosure in the passenger side rear quarter, so I'll have to see if I'll have a cube of airspace there.
If you get the 9887, i'm sure I'll be asking you a ton of questions.
haha, good deal.
I'm still iffy about the fact that you can't switch phase for all drivers with the 9887. That is such a crucial piece of tuning and being able to do it on the fly makes things MUCH easier. Still 50/50 between the 9887 and the 800PRS. I just had the 880, so I'd like to try the Alpine.
my gear as of now is 9887 >Sundown SAX4.100 & SAX2.100> H-Audio Trinity's & Seas CA18RNX & SI MagD2 V4
You've bought and sold and bought and haven't even installed anything, LOL. I just kid.
Those Seas are great speakers (from what I've read over the years), should mate nicely with the Trinity's. I think I'm almost set on going with the OEM's v2.5. I loved my v1's and this are supposed to be able to cross higher and lower and handle more power.
Chris
10-27-2009, 05:26 PM
Matt you going to make a new box for your new sub(s) or what bro?
Matt you going to make a new box for your new sub(s) or what bro?
When I change the gear, yes.
I'm looking to get a Stereo Integrity Mag and it is a 12" sub. It's only like 5" of mounting depth, so I'm pretty sure I can get a mimic stealthbox in there and have it fit without looking awkward.
When the time comes, and if anyone is interested, I'll sell the enclosure/grill and sub. I need to keep all of the other speakers for replacement when I sell the car.
Chris
10-27-2009, 05:47 PM
When the time comes, and if anyone is interested, I'll sell the enclosure/grill and sub. I need to keep all of the other speakers for replacement when I sell the car.
I got dibs! :) for real!
I got dibs! :) for real!
haha, no prob... just as long as you want to pay shipping. ;)
I now have access to a commercial grade table saw... so making these would be pretty easy. I could always just ship all of the pieces pre-cut, pre-drilled. Just screw, glue and carpet and you'd be good to go!
Chris
10-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Serious bro? That would be AWESOME! I wonder how much shipping would be?
Also, PM me on making one since I can't seem to find the time to even get started lol, and let me know how much you would charge me to make one man!
Serious bro? That would be AWESOME! I wonder how much shipping would be?
Also, PM me on making one since I can't seem to find the time to even get started lol, and let me know how much you would charge me to make one man!
The wood (3/4") MDF is a heavy stock. I'd make a complete guess of 30 bucks or so if I could get a good size box.
Materials would be around 30-40 bucks.
I'm not really sure how much I'd charge. Just enough to make it worth my time. Probably somewhere between 125-150, depending on shipping. If I could get a few people interested (maybe 3), then I could knock them all out at the same time. The table saw is about a 30 min drive each way plus the time it would take to go to the hardware store, then the time to cut. Should be about a half day at most, that's not too bad.
I'd probably make it pretty easy on the buyer - include screws, glue, carpet, and already have the terminal cup mounted. All you'd need is a power drill, box cutter, and 3M spray glue.
I'm fairly busy with work right now, but give me a week or two to crunch some numbers and think about it and I'll get back to you and whoever would be interested.
Chris
10-27-2009, 06:38 PM
hell yeah bro that sounds like a plan to me! take your time, i know your a busy dude so whenever you get some free time like you said, just let me know. I would rather just buy the materials (send you the $ for them) and then of course pay you for your time, shipping, and whatnot.. def. let me know!
hell yeah bro that sounds like a plan to me! take your time, i know your a busy dude so whenever you get some free time like you said, just let me know. I would rather just buy the materials (send you the $ for them) and then of course pay you for your time, shipping, and whatnot.. def. let me know!
Yeah, it's a great alternative for those who don't have the tools or the know-how. I'll look into over the next week or two to cover all the bases and get back at ya!
Hmmmmm... :D
Kenwood DNX 9140
Sundown SAX 50.4
Sundown SAX 125.2 (bridged)
That gives me;
DNX: time correction, 13-band EQ
SAX: high/low pass crossovers, level control (via gains)
Still missing electronic phase control though.
Chris
10-27-2009, 08:51 PM
what's all this gibberish you speak!!
what's all this gibberish you speak!!
I don't even know, lol.
A bunch of audio hoopla!
Well, after some research here's my list so far. I'm sure I'll add some to it and take some off as I continue my research. I doubt you guys have heard of most of this stuff anyways, lol.
Head unit
Alpine 9887
Drivers:
High:
Tang Band W3-1364SA 3”
Fountek FR88 3”
Peerless 830986 3”
Mid:
Mach 5 MLI 65 6.5”
Peerless SLS 65 6.5”
SB Acoustics SB17NRXC35-8-UC 6.5”
Low:
2 Dayton HO 10”
Dayton HO 12”
JL Audio W6.v2 12”
Diamond Audio D6 12”
The search continues, lol.
Teh Jeep
11-02-2009, 08:18 PM
Figured id post in here, didnt want to hijack...
Anyways, yea ive been searching for OG SQ decks. Just trying to see what i can pick up and test them all out. I had my hands on a C90, but sold it and never tried it out. I currently own a 350z, but im trading it in for what looks like an 06 or 07 3.7L; hence why im on here.
The W6 is an excellent option. I also like Image Dynamics IDMAX and IDQ subs. As well as Fi.
Figured id post in here, didnt want to hijack...
Anyways, yea ive been searching for OG SQ decks. Just trying to see what i can pick up and test them all out. I had my hands on a C90, but sold it and never tried it out. I currently own a 350z, but im trading it in for what looks like an 06 or 07 3.7L; hence why im on here.
Yeah, there are always a few OG decks in the classifieds over on DIYMA.
The W6 is an excellent option. I also like Image Dynamics IDMAX and IDQ subs. As well as Fi.
All out of my price range. :(
Well, I just caved under the forces of impulse buying and bought a sub woofer, lol.
Diamond Audio D6 12"
I was really down to that and the JL W6.v2 12" - I scored the Diamond in the DIYMA classifieds.
Time to plan out what I am doing for an enclosure.
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 08:54 AM
diamond audio is good stuff! i used to have their high end tweeters and cross overs:)
diamond audio is good stuff! i used to have their high end tweeters and cross overs:)
Yeah, the D6 is a pretty highly touted woofer - many guys call it a perfect mix of sound quality and the ability to get loud. And supposedly blends very well with the front stage.
I actually might be able to squeeze it in a fiberglassed enclosure in the passenger side rear quarter panel. I'll have to mock it up and see how much space I can get out of an enclosure there. If not, I'll just build a new enclosure similar to what I have now.
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 09:12 AM
nice bro! sounds like a great plan!!!
Here's a few enclosures modeled up.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/ucf52/Untitled-4.jpg
Green: optimal vented enclosure - 2.543 ft^3 @ 26.75hz
Pink: smaller vented enclosure (more realistic for my goals) - 1.5 ft^3 @ 29hz
Yellow: optimal sealed enclosure - 1.25 ft^3
When factoring in transfer function of the Jeep, I'm willing to bet the sealed enclosure will sound best.
My searching has come up with most using this sub in a sealed alignment.
For these two reasons, I'll try the sealed alignment first. Hopefully I can get 1.25 ft^3 in the quarter panel area.
Well, my curiosity for how much airspace is really in that area got the best of me, lol. Just finished mocking up what would be the absolute largest fiberglass enclosure I would go with in this particular location - just to figure out my maximum allowable airspace for this location.
My goal was to just get 1.25 ft^3... I ended up getting 2.15 ft^3... woo hoo!!!!
So this means I can shrink the enclosure pretty drastically to accommodate the sub I am trying to purchase - fawker hasn't emailed me back yet, lol.
I have plenty of mounting depth to work with and the baffle can be up to 15" tall if need be. So basically zero constraints. This certainly is a little weight lifted off of my shoulders.
Anyways, some random pics.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SvCSJsFkmmI/AAAAAAAAAgI/Oqz894ci4xs/s800/IMG_0001.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SvCSK1VEoPI/AAAAAAAAAgM/rVqsd3--RHU/s800/IMG_0002.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SvCSPsJY_7I/AAAAAAAAAgQ/-oSUzxKx5SY/s640/IMG_0003.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SvCSWcFjmPI/AAAAAAAAAgU/wuBHclY62Ko/s800/IMG_0004.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x9wFjOUWps0/SvCSYI-OdBI/AAAAAAAAAgY/BVtC2Wvw42Q/s640/IMG_0005.JPG
Lucky for me all of the packing peanuts fit perfectly in this bin I had laying around, so calculating volume was a breeze.
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 01:20 PM
hahaha someone has a lot of free time today!!!! LOLOLOL j/k
good stuff bro at least you know you can handle the project.... why no tails?
hahaha someone has a lot of free time today!!!! LOLOLOL j/k
haha, day off, woo!
good stuff bro at least you know you can handle the project.... why no tails?
No tails...?
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 01:30 PM
tail lights are missing in the pics
tail lights are missing in the pics
umm, tail lights are still there, LOL.
Have you been drinking today? If so, let me get some. :lol:
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 01:34 PM
hehehe i just double checked and i am def feeling the effects of being sleepy LOL
Just sent payment for the D6! Time to get crackin' on the enclosure!
hehehe i just double checked and i am def feeling the effects of being sleepy LOL
haha, get to bed early tonight, lol
B.P.O.D
11-03-2009, 01:44 PM
are you gonna tackle the fiberglass enclosure like joel did?
are you gonna tackle the fiberglass enclosure like joel did?
Yes, but not like his. I'm going to do mine in the rear quarter panel (where the mock up pics are). I think you knew that, just clarifying.
I'm also going to do some glass work in the corners of the dash. I've got some good ideas floating around in my head for that.
Mid woofers will be in the doors.
Well, It's safe to say I've got the ball rolling with this new build.
[x] Alpine 9887 processor
[ ] Fountek FR88-EX 3" full range drivers
[ ] Peerless SLS6 6.5" mid woofers
[x] Diamond Audio D6 12" sub woofer
[x] Kicker 700.5 5-channel amplifier
[x] Wiring
[ ] Battery terminals
[ ] Misc. hardware/materials
[ ] Fiberglass enclosure materials
Going to finish up my driver research and get the mids and highs. Going to order all of the other misc crap and enclosure materials when the sub woofer gets here.
I'm pretty excited for this build. Should be pretty nice when it's done.
Teh Jeep
11-04-2009, 06:59 PM
Only one 12"????
Only one 12"????
Yeah.
One is plenty for me (and my goals). I don't want to take up too much room. If I went with a multi-sub design I'd have a HUGE vented, low-tuned enclosure to achieve a good FR plot (and low F3). I've got a 10" now with ~500 watts and had a 12" with 250 watts. I am/was happy with them, so a 12" with 500 watts will be perfect! Not to mention the new sub is substantially better. Well regarded as a GREAT SQ/SQL sub and blends very well with the front stage.
GhettoB879
11-04-2009, 07:38 PM
Cant wait to see the build up Matt. Have fun with it
Cant wait to see the build up Matt. Have fun with it
Thanks man! I'll be sure to take plenty of pics!
Alright, I think I've got my materials list for the sub woofer enclosure.
US Composites
3/4 oz chopped fiberglass mat (2yds) - $4.15
3 yards of Knytex 1708 biaxial fiberglass cloth (3 yards) - $19.80
1 gallon of US Composites 440 resin - $32.50
MEKP hardner 4oz - $3.50
Mixing tubs - $5.00
Shipping - $13.00
Parts Express
Sub woofer mounting kit (t-nuts, hex bolts) - $4
Charcoal/gray carpeting (1 yard) - $6
WalMart
½” wooden dowels - $3
Bondo body filler - $6
2 rolls of painters tape - $5
2 yards of stretchy material - $5
Plastic drop cloth - $5
Paint brushes - $4
Latex gloves - $4
Mask/respirator - $5
Super glue - $2
3M spray adhesive - $5
Lowe’s
Liquid nails - $3
½” nylon rope - $3
Paint mixing sticks - $Free
2’x4’ ¾” MDF wood - $5
B.P.O.D
11-05-2009, 07:15 AM
looks like a solid plan bro!
Just bought a set of the Peerless SLS 6.5's.
I need to get away from the DIYMA classifieds section, lol.
Diamond D6 12 is in!! Man, this thing rocks and I have ZERO processing! I have it in a 1.2 ft^3 sealed enclosure. I'm going to mount the temporary enclosure in the back while I work on the fiberglass enclosure.
I'll have my Alpine 9887 in tomorrow, so pics and feedback to come.
Chris
11-09-2009, 02:56 PM
Nice! Now sell me your kicker sub! lol (im serious tho :p)
Nice! Now sell me your kicker sub! lol (im serious tho :p)
I'm tempted, but they go for $80 shipped from an authorized dealer. Shipping is likely going to cost $20, so I'd have to sell a used sub (but in perfect condition) for $50 at the most + shipping. Just not worth it just in case I want to revert back to this stereo - though that is doubtful, lol.
Chris
11-09-2009, 03:03 PM
Yeah your right, I forgot how cheap the cost is from that one site :) I need to just order it already and be done with it, that way I have an excuse to start the box building lol
I have the fronts sitting here waiting to be installed whenever i get off my lazy ass too :)
Teh Jeep
11-09-2009, 03:07 PM
Plan on getting imprint to go along with the h/u?
Yeah your right, I forgot how cheap the cost is from that one site :) I need to just order it already and be done with it, that way I have an excuse to start the box building lol
I have the fronts sitting here waiting to be installed whenever i get off my lazy ass too :)
lol, get your ass to work! It is hard to initiate, but once you get going it's not that bad, you find your groove.
Plan on getting imprint to go along with the h/u?
No, I prefer to do it all by hand (time alignment, level matching, crossover point/slope, phase, PEQ). The AuduessyEQ is supposed to be nice, but I'll trust my ears over a microphone.
Teh Jeep
11-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Gotcha, so youre going with an external eq then?
Gotcha, so youre going with an external eq then?
No, it's all built in to the 9887. It's a full 3-way active processor with all of the DSP features I listed above (that includes a 5-band parametric equalizer).
Teh Jeep
11-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Didnt think the 9887 was capable of such things, good to know
Didnt think the 9887 was capable of such things, good to know
Yeah, the big 3 decks that are capable of 3-way active in that price range are the Alpine 9887, Pioneer 880/800, and the Eclipse 7200 mkII.
I previously had the 880. Great deck, very nice feature set, but I needed something with a low "high range" crossover point. So the 800 was out - which sucks cause that deck would look great in the WK dash. Oh well. The Eclipse is a great deck as well, but I'm not big on the aesthetics and menu navigation is sub par.
When it comes down to it they each have their pros/cons. Just gotta roll with whatever suits ya best. For me that will hopefully be the 9887, lol.
**New build log here (click me (http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?t=3970))**
dxdenis02
01-06-2010, 04:07 PM
Matt... I like your system #3. I am building a system very close to it. A few questions for you.
Did you use your stock speaker wire for the 3.5" dash speakers and 6x9 door speakers? If so, at what point did you splice into them?
How is the imaging with the front 6x9s running 80Hz up and 3.5s running 200Hz and up?
Thanks
Did you use your stock speaker wire for the 3.5" dash speakers and 6x9 door speakers? If so, at what point did you splice into them?
I used the wiring I had run down the floor of the Jeep from system #1 - the wiring with the terminal blocks on the end.
For the dash speakers, I ran my own wiring from the terminal blocks on up to the speaker - it's super easy.
For the door speakers, I spliced into the factory wiring about 12" from where it entered the harness to the door (right where the factory wiring started to bend from the floor to the kick panel area). Drilling out that door harness would have simply been unnecessary as using this skinny of wire at this short of length poses zero threat.
How is the imaging with the front 6x9s running 80Hz up and 3.5s running 200Hz and up?
Thanks
It was okay. Loud for sure, but I didn't like having the door speakers playing so much information that the dash speakers were playing - too much overlap for my liking.
I currently (build log #2 in my sig) have my door speakers playing 80hz-250hz and my dash speakers playing 315hz-all the way up (sub from 63hz-down). Sound so much better!
dxdenis02
01-07-2010, 08:04 AM
whats your opinion and deleting the 3.5 and running components in the door say 80Hz and up... i think another member here did that and really really likes it and says his sound stage comes from the top dash.
whats your opinion and deleting the 3.5 and running components in the door say 80Hz and up... i think another member here did that and really really likes it and says his sound stage comes from the top dash.
I can't be sure, as I have never tried that, but, as you said, another member here (TimmyB) has had good feedback from using his components in that location. I can say that I did not enjoy the mid in the door and the tweeter in the dash location. Even with all the DSP I had, it still sound crappy.
I say try it out!
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