What don't you like about the 2011 model or what do you think is missing?

[frostyy]

Hey all,

Personally, I would have liked a new transmission on the 2011 model.....perhaps a 6 speed or 7 speed given that a lot of the competition already has such a tranny....

....this would have possibly improved fuel efficiency and performance.....I realize some auto websites suggest that this feature is possibly coming in future models but I think the GC is already behind the competition in this regard....

[White WK Swagga]

6 speed would be nice. I love the new options and features.

I think the outside looks too generic like a combo of SUV's that are already out.
I wish they kept the bubble look of the current WK headlights a little.

[B T C]

I'm disappointed that it has an open front differential.

[B.P.O.D]

where do i begin!!!! the front , the back! the fact it looks like a cross over and not a suv anymore! blah!!!!

[blackpepper]

It should have a 7 speed for 2012 or 2013.. not sure though. I really WISH they didn't blend the lights into the tailgate... not Jeep-like at all.

Other than that I think they did a great job with it.. yeah it doesn't have a front diff which is another downfall but until I see it in person/test drive one, I think it's a phenomenal upgrade over the current WK... and I hop that it stays relatively the same size. Jeep has done a good job with keeping their GCs compact b/c that's what the customers have always asked for.

[Scottina06]

usual haterz......

[B T C]

Who's hating? This thread is supposed to be about what we don't like, correct? From an appearnce & appointment standpoint, my initial impression is much more positive than my initial impression of the current WK. I'm no engineer, but my belief is that the open front diff is going to result in a degradation of 4x4 performance in comparison to earlier Grand Cherokees. If that turns out to be the case, and I'm not sure how it couldn't be, that's going to be a pretty big dislike for me.

[Scottina06]

I thought I remember you saying you would NEVER buy one.......

[B T C]

I don't believe I've ever said that, but I'm pretty sure I won't be buying one. I'm hoping my WJ lasts for another 10 years. If I were in the market, the open front diff would be a big consideration. I really hope they offer some sort of LSD in the front at some point.

[Motteler621]

I dont like that I can't afford a brand new car.

[Scottina06]

I agree with you....but it def. would not keep me from buying one. I just dont understand why they removed/changed it

[Megatron]

I would trade my 07 for a 2011 in a heartbeat, and get rid of chrome door handles.

[frostyy]

It should have a 7 speed for 2012 or 2013.. not sure though. I really WISH they didn't blend the lights into the tailgate... not Jeep-like at all.

Other than that I think they did a great job with it.. yeah it doesn't have a front diff which is another downfall but until I see it in person/test drive one, I think it's a phenomenal upgrade over the current WK... and I hop that it stays relatively the same size. Jeep has done a good job with keeping their GCs compact b/c that's what the customers have always asked for.

Well, according to initial specs, it is getting bigger (once again--remember the 2005 was bigger than the 2004)... length 189.8" vs 186.7"....and body width 76.3" vs 72.6" (this was done to increase rear seat area and cargo space behind rear seats but interestingly, it did not increase total cargo capacity)...

I agree with you....don't like that it is getting bigger........

[White WK Swagga]

So the new 6cyl is a 3.6ltr pentastar which should get 2 more MPG's and 280hp with 260lb tq. That's not bad 280hp but I'd like to see 300hp out of a v6. Infinity, Nissan has done it with their SUV's

[1 GRAND]

Take the plastic crap off the fenders, around the fender wells, take the tail lights off the rear hatch, give me the lockers back, and drop in a 6 speed auto.

The thing looks just like the Arcadia in tne rear.

[White WK Swagga]

^^^ Why did you have to say that. I phucking HATE the Arcadia!!! LOL

[mikskillz]

where do i begin!!!! the front , the back! the fact it looks like a cross over and not a suv anymore! blah!!!!



I agree but i think its the back that does it. The lights on the lift gate and that big trim piece between them makes it look like the Audi to me

I like the look of everything else except the back

[1 GRAND]

^^^ Why did you have to say that. I phucking HATE the Arcadia!!! LOL

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0607_z+2007_gmc_acadia+rear_corner.jpg

http://www.drivearabia.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/2011-jeep-grand-cherokee-1-450.jpg
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[White WK Swagga]

^^ Thanks for the reminder. No really, thank you. LMAO

[1 GRAND]

^^ Thanks for the reminder. No really, thank you. LMAO


No prob!

[mikskillz]

yea - the back is what i dont like

I'm not really too concerned if its not as 4x4 capable as mine as i want to buy it for my wife and its interior features for her

the interior is hot

[DJ BoNiOmArIo]

What I don't like about the new model it doesn't look refined as in there are little touches here and there that can be fixed in order to make it appear more legit ...

it's going to be like the WK release where the 05 and 06 had the ugly moldings and 07 up had the nice ones etc etc and all the kinks and issues will be worked out by the time '12 and '13 roll around

the interior is a much better upgrade than the current WK interior

[B.P.O.D]

yeah the interior is nice but i'm def not liking the exterior... oh well i'll wait for the next remodel in 5 years to see what that looks like lolol!!!!

[White WK Swagga]

I like that it has option for air conditioned seats but that's only in overland.

[Scottina06]

I think it looks nothing like the Arcadia......but if ya wanna be silly like that....I could probably find similarities in a Ferrari and a Prius-----LOL

[White WK Swagga]

^^^ True that!!!

[B.P.O.D]

to me it looks like a bmw x5 in the back! i very much dislike the x5

[White WK Swagga]

The X5 doesn't like you either Phuck face! I like the X5i (i = sport)
But honestly I'm not crazy about the back either. I wonder how it'll look with tinted tails? Someone photoshop one please!

[i0r15]

I've always loved American cars with their design. The WK2 IMO, has lost a lot of it's originality. What I dislike the most is the rear part of it....and plastic fenders


This is the WK2 right? j/k :lol:
http://www.carplace.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/toyota-hilux-sw4-salao-2.jpg

[White WK Swagga]

^^^ Yes. what gave it away the Toyota logo on the back??? LMAO

[Scottina06]

I think you can trace the look of the WK2 right back to the Cherokee. IMO...it hasnt veered one bit from its design evolution. Vehicles evolve and improve over generations. If the Grand still looked like the WK with a different interior....everyone would hate it...Right? Or wonder why they even bothered. Or if it still looked like the 94 Grand Cherokee with no design evolution at all. Most WJer's hated the WK....till they actually saw it in person and drove it. I personally hated the WJ...but I never drove one or even looked at one up close. Its an evolution people...this Grand is.....dare I say it......1000x or more better than the WK.

[Matt]

I don't think anyone is arguing the need for evolution, I just think most of the people who have complained, just hate the similarities to seemingly inferior vehicles - namely the rear end, tailamps. I like the new WK2, but I'm with the others, I wish the tailamps didn't look so simliar to other SUV's. If they were more unique/authentic looking, that's be better IMO.

[Scottina06]

to my knowledge....the lamps on the rear hatch are govt mandated on SUV's. The lamps to the side of those are prettyy darn similar to the WK rear lamps...maybe a little smaller....which was a complaint of WK haterz.(the rear lamps were too big)

[Matt]

to my knowledge....the lamps on the rear hatch are govt mandated on SUV's. The lamps to the side of those are prettyy darn similar to the WK rear lamps...maybe a little smaller....which was a complaint of WK haterz.(the rear lamps were too big)

Is it a new regulation... 'cause our current WK's don't have any lighting on the hatch (aside from the 3rd brake light at the top).

Either way, it still looks strikingly similar to more than a few SUV's out there.

Not a big deal to me though, it wouldn't deter me from buying one.

[Scottina06]

Ive just seen it on all the new SUv's. And....my company makes the aluminum rear hatch...so i asked the corporate guy who worked on it if there was a govt mandate for the hatch lights and his only repsonse was "yep". Thats all i have to go off of. No idea if its true or not....

[Motteler621]

yea i agree with scott, alot of times in design the designers or company have to follow guidelines during the design process. I think the rear lights were part of that.

[Motteler621]

and also compared to most suvs coming out I think this grand cherokee will be one of the best looking.

[Matt]

Ive just seen it on all the new SUv's. And....my company makes the aluminum rear hatch...so i asked the corporate guy who worked on it if there was a govt mandate for the hatch lights and his only repsonse was "yep". Thats all i have to go off of. No idea if its true or not....

Oh I see. That kind of sucks for those companies who have already had prototypes drawn up.

yea i agree with scott, alot of times in design the designers or company have to follow guidelines during the design process. I think the rear lights were part of that.

I agree that they have to stick within their guidlines, but these engineers and designers are paid to create renderings that are unique (or at least we would hope so), so that's the only issue, why would they make them look so similar to other SUV's.


Again, I don't think they are all that bad, and it wouldn't deter me from purchasing one, I'm more or less providing the other point of view.

[Matt]

and also compared to most suvs coming out I think this grand cherokee will be one of the best looking.

I agree! And even comparing it the the current WK, I think it's SOOO much better than it. To me it just just scream higher quality, inside and out.

[Motteler621]

Yea, im not sure maybe they were just being safe and thought it looked good with the design. I know when I worked on projects for companies in school during out design phase we would have to follow strict guidlines. So much input was needed from people higher up, like govt, etc. that we couldnt just go and do what we liked.

Oh I see. That kind of sucks for those companies who have already had prototypes drawn up.



I agree that they have to stick within their guidlines, but these engineers and designers are paid to create renderings that are unique (or at least we would hope so), so that's the only issue, why would they make them look so similar to other SUV's.


Again, I don't think they are all that bad, and it wouldn't deter me from purchasing one, I'm more or less providing the other point of view.

[Matt]

Yea, im not sure maybe they were just being safe and thought it looked good with the design. I know when I worked on projects for companies in school during out design phase we would have to follow strict guidlines. So much input was needed from people higher up, like govt, etc. that we couldnt just go and do what we liked.

Yeah, that's a good point.

[06RC22]

I am actually a big fan of the new WK2. I like the attention they put into my dislikes on my current WK. (road noise and interior design being my big two) Im interested to feel if there is a big difference from the 3.7 to the 3.6. Even though when I purchase my next jeep it will have the HEMI.

I do have dislikes as well but I think it will just take some getting used to. Im sure i will like it even more when I park next to one and actually see the differences in person compared to the WK

[Matt]

I think the interior overhaul is going to be a big selling point for them. The cheap plastic interior on the current WK's really sucks... along with the seats.

[DJ BoNiOmArIo]

I hate the fawking seats on the current WK supposedly it's leather but whenever I sit in my moms acura tsx or my pops a6 haha leather my fawking ass looool

my gf's 03 vw beetle has better leather seats than mine ...

going back to thread topic ...

I guess the most thing I would dislike about the WK2 is nothing loool

[Chaoul1]

If I ever get one I will shave the Rear Hatch Lights off. Other than that I actually like it.

[Scottina06]

how much hp and tq does the 3.7 have? The 3.6 is 280 hp and 260 tq. I hink it would be a huge upgrade over the ccurrent 3.7

[06RC22]

stock 3.7 has 210hp and 235tq. 3.7 has SOHC and the 3.6 will have DOHC. I mean its a completely different engine but im curious to see how it feel cause isnt the new WK2 heavier? So yea it might have more HP and TQ but what will the added weight do to slow it down

[B.P.O.D]

^^^ im also curious about the new hp/weight ratio...

[Scottina06]

I dont think the weight difference is that much....

[99limited]

where do i begin!!!! the front , the back! the fact it looks like a cross over and not a suv anymore! blah!!!!
gotta agree irfan. Theres just something i dont like.

[Chuck]

where do i begin!!!! the front , the back! the fact it looks like a cross over and not a suv anymore! blah!!!!

x2

I really hate the front :confused:. Maybe in person it might look better but I just don't like it.

[NHWK05]

I dont like the fully independent suspension or fact that its completely luxury now but i know the drill, its not what the market demands bla bla bla.

[Scottina06]

nevermind......

[Bucky]

I would like to see LED taillights on the WK2. That's about the only change I can suggest right now without having seen the actual vehicle.

Most every conceivable change I was hoping for (larger back seat and cargo area, better interior materials, slightly larger, different front end/headlights/grill) was addressed.

[Megatron]

I would like to see LED taillights on the WK2. That's about the only change I can suggest right now without having seen the actual vehicle.

Most every conceivable change I was hoping for (larger back seat and cargo area, better interior materials, slightly larger, different front end/headlights/grill) was addressed.

Good idea on the LED lights.

[Marlin]

I would like to see LED taillights on the WK2. That's about the only change I can suggest right now without having seen the actual vehicle.

Most every conceivable change I was hoping for (larger back seat and cargo area, better interior materials, slightly larger, different front end/headlights/grill) was addressed.

Yeah well said mate, they seem to have addressed most of my complaints too.
I love how they've retained the towing capacity, it lets them compete directly in the heavy towing market with VW and Land Rover.
I'm not sold 100% on the looks, but neither was I sold on my current WK either, but I knew I could drastically improve it with a few subtle mods.
I purchased my current one for the value/horsepower/elec diff locks, thankfully not the interior!

My major beef with the WK2? Without doubt it will be the gearbox, it's well past it's used by date. What this vehicle deserves is the creme of the crop 6 speed ZF auto featured in anything from Ford Falcons through to XKR Jags. If Ford could afford and justify putting it in their (Australian) Falcon, Jeep could easily justify the extra small expense for a truly world class gearbox.

[frostyy]

Yeah well said mate, they seem to have addressed most of my complaints too.
I love how they've retained the towing capacity, it lets them compete directly in the heavy towing market with VW and Land Rover.
I'm not sold 100% on the looks, but neither was I sold on my current WK either, but I knew I could drastically improve it with a few subtle mods.
I purchased my current one for the value/horsepower/elec diff locks, thankfully not the interior!

My major beef with the WK2? Without doubt it will be the gearbox, it's well past it's used by date. What this vehicle deserves is the creme of the crop 6 speed ZF auto featured in anything from Ford Falcons through to XKR Jags. If Ford could afford and justify putting it in their (Australian) Falcon, Jeep could easily justify the extra small expense for a truly world class gearbox.

Yes, a new tranny is overdue...6 sp or 7 sp....and how much do you want to bet that when the first reviews come out on the new 2011....they will all trash the fact that the tranny was not updated...with the new 6 cyl...

[frostyy]

stock 3.7 has 210hp and 235tq. 3.7 has SOHC and the 3.6 will have DOHC. I mean its a completely different engine but im curious to see how it feel cause isnt the new WK2 heavier? So yea it might have more HP and TQ but what will the added weight do to slow it down


Yes, it is heavier.....2010 gross vehicle weight rating 4WD V6= 5900 lbs
2011 4WD V6=6500 lbs

[White WK Swagga]

So I guess there's no turbo V6 for the new WK?

[Scottina06]

not yet....2013-2014 was the projection

[White WK Swagga]

Oh ok. Well if there's a turbo 6 thats pushing at least 350 HP than I'll entertain that idea.

[B.P.O.D]

yeah hopefully by then there will be a body change:) lolol

[White WK Swagga]

yeah hopefully by then there will be a body change:) lolol

I really think you need to change the way you look at things Irf. It'll grow on you. I bet you $50. after seeing it on the road with a few mods you'll like it.

[B.P.O.D]

^^^ scott get to work!!!! i wait for the 11 to be modded!!!! lol

[Milous]

Yes, it is heavier.....2010 gross vehicle weight rating 4WD V6= 5900 lbs
2011 4WD V6=6500 lbs
You have to compare the curb weight, not the GVWR, as the payload capacity has been greatly increased on the WK2.

Examples:

WK Laredo 4WD V6: 4,505 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,100) = 5,600 GVWR

WK2 Laredo 4WD V6: 4,660 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,840) = 6,500 GVWR


WK Limited 4WD V8 Hemi: 4,719 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,050) = 6,150 GVWR

WK2 Limited 4WD V8 Hemi: 5,150 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,660) = 6,800 GVWR

[Scottina06]

I thought something was off with those numbers

[Megatron]

I like it alot...

[Milous]

Missing: 1 Ea. 6.4L Hemi :)

[Scottina06]

Milous-I'm not hearing good things from my buddy in Oswego NY about the wk2 SRT. Anything on your end?> Any hints?

[Milous]

Milous-I'm not hearing good things from my buddy in Oswego NY about the wk2 SRT. Anything on your end?> Any hints?
No confirmation one way or the other, but there are still internal docs that list "6.4" under "WK", so as best I can tell it is still "on hold" but not cancelled.

[Scottina06]

my guy says there is NO body panels for an SRT in development like there was before

[Milous]

my guy says there is NO body panels for an SRT in development like there was before
That in and of itself wouldn't necessarily rule anything in or out, as the 2012 models are still ~18 months away from production. But do keep in touch wth him...

[frostyy]

You have to compare the curb weight, not the GVWR, as the payload capacity has been greatly increased on the WK2.

Examples:

WK Laredo 4WD V6: 4,505 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,100) = 5,600 GVWR

WK2 Laredo 4WD V6: 4,660 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,840) = 6,500 GVWR


WK Limited 4WD V8 Hemi: 4,719 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,050) = 6,150 GVWR

WK2 Limited 4WD V8 Hemi: 5,150 Lbs curb weight (payload 1,660) = 6,800 GVWR


Yes, I didn't have all of the numbers for the curb weight... in any event....the point was it is heavier than the current model....

[Scottina06]

150 pounds is nothing though

[B.P.O.D]

yeah for the v6 im shocked its only a 150 pound diff. they new one will def be quicker

[White WK Swagga]

Some people carry around more than 150 lbs of junk in the cargo area that they don't even consider. I know I do. I have golf clubs, basketball, gym bag and clothed, roof rack cross bars, and spare tire under adds weight too for those that are waight conscious.

[Milous]

Some people carry around more than 150 lbs of junk in the cargo area that they don't even consider.
I keep my cargo area pretty clean, the dual subs add enought weight as it is. I do have an extra 10-20 lbs of junk in my personal cargo area, but it's hanging over my belt and too hard to get rid of!

[White WK Swagga]

^^^ LOL I'm working on that too. So far 25lbs since november.